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Fanciful?

The following text was removed from the general article for the simple reason of it being controversial and somewhat opinionated (hence the need for the word "fanciful"). Also, the statement "appears to be" does not work as a factual device, and therefore should be left to discussion, not to the actual Wikipedia entry.

The fanciful idea that he married a so-called "Giselle de Razes" and fathered a line of "secret Merovingians" at Rennes-le-Chateau appears to be a complete fabrication. There is no primary evidence for such a person or such a marriage.

Unjustified deletions

The anonymous above also removed the following reference to primary sources for this article:

"The Austrasian kinglists, Liber historiae Francorum (written in 737), chapter 43, and the Vita of Wilfrid are the primary sources.

The following has also been excised: "Grimoald seized the throne in order to secure it for his own son, and cut Dagobert's hair, thus marking him unfit for kingship..."

Isn't this the very reason for tonsuring him, instead of simply shutting him away? It hadn't occured to me that this remark would be considered original: the "long-haired kings" are familiar enough—could someone think it was a fashion statement? See J. Hoyaux, "Reges criniti: chevelures, tonsures et scalps chez les Mérovingiens," Revue belge de philologie et d'histoire, 26 (1948). Isn't this also covered by J. M. Wallace-Hadrill, The Long-Haired Kings and Other Essays (London, 1962)? --Wetman 10:35, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Discrepancy with another article

"while Pippin II, Mayor of the Palace of Austrasia (679 – 714) dominated Austrasia, and left the throne empty until after the battle of Tertry (687), when he accepted Theuderic III"

Either 687 or 679 are wrong because in the article of Theuderic it says he was King of the Franks from 679 on which is kind of wrong if Pippin ruled Austrasia from 679 to 687. Then again that battle did take place in 687. 194.96.133.103 (talk) 17:31, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Okay well if Theuderic was the only merovingian King alive i guess he was King of all the Franks even if he didn't rule all of Francia? 194.96.133.103 (talk) 17:35, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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RC saint

He can't have been a Roman Catholic royal saint because he lived centuries before the Great Schism in 1054 between the Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox churches. I think this category refers to saints who belonged to that church. PatGallacher (talk) 16:39, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think that lays too much stress on the events of 1054. But that aside, a Roman Catholic saint should be anyone venerated as a saint in a RC church. Srnec (talk) 02:45, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"saints who belonged to that church" - which church are you referring to? Are you suggesting that Francia was part of the Greek Orthodox Church in 679?

"Roman Catholic" is of course a misnomer anytime. Str1977 ^(talk) 02:41, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Life

The article uses a few times the short name "Life" for one of the works mentioned. Alas, there are four works which names start with "Life of". So, which of these works the short "Life" refers to? Liadmalone (talk) 17:16, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good catch. I found and fixed two instances. Srnec (talk) 20:38, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]