Talk:Da Woon Jung

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No consensus, 7 May 2023, from Da Un Jung to Da Woon Jung, see discussion.
Moved, 11 July 2024, from Da Un Jung to Da Woon Jung, see discussion.

Name change

UFC have changed his name on his official profile. Who has to change his name before we do? Nswix (talk) 03:31, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nswix Name can be change when there is extremely coverage from independent, reliable sources.03:54, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 7 May 2023

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) – Material Works 19:25, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Da Un Jung → Da Woon Jung – As seen in his UFC profile and Sherdog profile, his name used to be improperly translated. Nswix (talk) 01:37, 7 May 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} (please mention me on reply) 05:15, 14 May 2023 (UTC)— Relisting. >>> Extorc.talk 09:58, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: most sources in the article state "Da Un Jung" - as per WP:COMMONNAME guidelines.09:09, 7 May 2023 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Cassiopeia (talk • contribs)
Support: His name is cleary Da Woon Jung not "Da Un Jung" as stated on Sherdog and his UFC profile.15:41, 7 May 2023 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by DarkHorseMayhem (talk • contribs)
User:DarkHorseMayhem I suggest you to read and understand Wikipedia WP:COMMONNAME guidelines prior make your vote as name changed is based on this guidelines. Cassiopeia talk 03:51, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

?. No

DarkHorseMayhem (talk) 04:12, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support ESPN, Sherdog, Fight Matrix, UFC's official website, and his Instagram all use Da Woon Jung. ♡RAFAEL♡^(talk) 13:55, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now and wait for enough evidence to make a decision per WP:NAMECHANGES. WP:COMMONNAME is unclear—even if it were easier for this layperson to tell which sources are user-generated as opposed to those with editorial oversight, there are plenty of results for Un and Woon alike, even if you restrict the results to within the past year. Sources such as MMA Junkie were using Un as recently as February 2023, almost four months ago. I have yet to find a clear independent reliable source more recent than that. WP:OFFICIALNAME is an essay, and I don't know how helpful it is in this case. WP:NCKOREAN suggests Jeong Da-un (Korean: 정다운) only [i]f there is no established English spelling, which doesn't help. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 03:48, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 11 July 2024

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The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) microbiologyMarcus ^{[petri dish·growths]} 20:44, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Da Un Jung → Da Woon Jung – It is time to revisit this name change request after a year. Sources that show his real name Da Woon Jung:

ESPN - https://www.espn.com/mma/fighter/_/id/4389252/da-woon-jung
UFC Stats (Official) - http://ufcstats.com/fighter-details/74f9448b97bf8bec
His official Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/fighter_jeong/?hl=en
His official X - https://x.com/fighter__jeong
His UFC.com profile page - https://www.ufc.com/athlete/da-woon-jung?language_content_entity=en
Sherdog: https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Da-Woon-Jung-202241
MMAJunkie profile page - https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/fighters/da-un-jung

Currently, only Tapology has him listed incorrectly as "Da Un Jung". I think this page should be renamed to reflect the actual spelling of his name and as per all sources and references referring to him as Da Woon Jung. Marty2Hotty (talk) 17:02, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the refs in the article, it appears to be more than just a single source using that spelling.

You should try to establish WP:COMMONNAME. Try either using Google Books Ngram Viewer or doing a quick news search and counting results to measure what name is more common. His preferred spelling is a weighed factor, but common spellings can outweigh official spellings if a certain spelling is significant enough. 211.43.120.242 (talk) 13:40, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per last vote. Someone's spelling of their own name supersedes WP:COMMONNAME

Nswix (talk) 20:33, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you read common name. Although official, scientific, birth, original, or trademarked names are often used for article titles, the term or name most typically used in reliable sources is generally preferred. 211.43.120.242 (talk) 00:40, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did read COMMONNAME. And I am of the opinion that a corrected spelling mistake supercedes it, no matter how many refs have that mistake. Why am I repeating myself? Nswix (talk) 01:01, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That opinion doesn't abide by COMMONNAME. What is or isn't a mistake isn't up to you to decide; we leave that to RS. 211.43.120.242 (talk) 01:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As you pointed out, "the term or name most typically used in reliable sources is generally preferred". I say that leaves wiggle room for someone pointing out their name has been misspelled. Nswix (talk) 04:45, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're asserting there was a mistake made; do you have any evidence in reliable sources (not social media) that he considers it a mistake? Sometimes people just change how their name is spelled; I'm Korean and know several people who've done that, including my dad. 211.43.120.242 (talk) 05:28, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In all sources, he is referred to as Da Woon Jung. All MMA media, social media, and official fight cards/MMA organization websites. I do not understand why confusion needs to be created to keep it as "Da Un Jung" as people will naturally be looking or the fighter with the way it is spelled in all media, including the person's. Marty2Hotty (talk) 13:06, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll emphasize up front. I think it's possible you're right and that that spelling is the one we should use, but my issue is I don't think you've proven it adequately yet.

To your point, on the article, CTRL+F "Da Un Jung" and look at the references section. Not all sources use that spelling; you say "all" and all it takes is one source to not use that spelling and you're wrong. I don't know why you'd make a claim that strong.

You must present some reasonable evidence of common name; I already told you one way you can do this (Google ngram), but you ignored me. There is a reason I recommended it, if you just take a 5 second search we can stop debating. If you don't do it in the next comment, I will and take a stance, not worth the time taken to type this. I'm trying to help you understand how WP:COMMONNAME discussions usually work. 211.43.120.242 (talk) 13:34, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In all up-to-date sources, he is using Da Woon Jung. The "references" you refer to on his article are last year and before. In all official social media, and MMA media, and official UFC pages, he is Da Woon Jung. I do not know how to use the ngram thing you refer to. Upon reading the common name link, I do think Da Woon Jung applies to the criteria listed there, especially "the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable, English-language sources)". Marty2Hotty (talk) 16:14, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is what common name says. For the last time, the issue is you haven't provided evidence for what is the common name, beyond subjective claims of "yeah this is what all recent sources do!" I believe you're possibly right, but you just haven't proved it. 211.43.120.242 (talk) 00:27, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

100 percent with you. It's kind of silly how the man's social media account, UFC/ESPN, Sherdog, and MMA Media refer to him as a name, but on Wikipedia, we have to have this discussion. Marty2Hotty (talk) 16:16, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Oppose~~ until common name is properly established. 211.43.120.242 (talk) 01:05, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~I'm still leaning oppose~~. Searching in Google News in quotes, "Da Woon Jung" receives 90 hits, and "Da Un Jung" receives 4,490. This is how evidence for common name is typically established. 211.43.120.242 (talk) 00:29, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If I search someone's maiden name I can get more results than a few days after they get married. Doesn't stop anyone moving their page. Nswix (talk) 01:37, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NAMECHANGES. If you provide evidence to fit what's described in this guideline, I will support the move. 211.43.120.242 (talk) 06:26, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

from the article you shared: " If the reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name, Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match "

- All sources provided are reliable sources. Jung goes by the name, and the organization he works for also refers to him as such. He is announced and referred to the name in question. MMAJunkie, MMAFighting, the leading independent media sources now refer to him as such. Is this enough yet? Marty2Hotty (talk) 13:07, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The URL for the fighter's MMAJunkie page: https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/fighters/da-un-jung has "Da Un Jung", but if you click on it, it now reflects the name he goes by, which is Da Woon Jung. Independent, reputable journalist Marcel Dorff, whose reports of bouts are often reported by all media outlets, states: "Recently changed his name from Da Un Jung to Da Woon Jung." https://x.com/BigMarcel24/status/1811406260945801246 Marty2Hotty (talk) 13:10, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per above two comments 211.43.120.242 (talk) 14:25, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support - It's pretty clear that significant news coverage refers to him as "Da Woon Jung." Support per WP:UCRN, "the term or name most typically used in reliable sources is generally preferred." MetropolitanIC (💬|📝) 03:14, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Double check hatnote please

Hi page watchers, following the RM I've closed above, I did some cleanup to the hatnote on the top of the article. Would someone familiar with naming conventions ensure that the hatnote still makes sense, with respect to the switch I've completed on Special:Diff/1235348528?

Many thanks, microbiologyMarcus ^{[petri dish·growths]} 20:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]