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Blue Beetle is not confirmed to be a DCU series

The Deadline article does not state that it is a DCU series. Ok, probably it will be, but we can't assume that (WP:VNT). @Adamstom.97 says that we can't say that the series will be an elseworld: that's correct, in fact I propose to don't write anything about this series in this page for the moment, as we don't know the true nature of the project. Redjedi23 (talk) 20:24, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like this is a similar case to when new Marvel Studios and Sony-Marvel projects are revealed, in which it is often not explicitly stated they a part of the MCU or Sony's universe, though that is typically the most common/logical path for them moving forward, especially for DC. Gunn and Safran did say there would be a "high bar" for Elseworlds projects, and I think the background information about Blue Beetle and the animation-live action connections (which are more easily connected at the draft here) are enough justification/support for this being in the DCU rather than something that was Elseworlds. If it were Elseworlds, I feel like that would be specified (and we, as such, would need more concrete evidence to support that being the case, as Adam noted in his revert). Just because it is animation and continuing from a DCEU film does not inherently mean it won't be in the DCU, as most of DC Studios' projects will be for the DCU. I think it is a safe call to leave it in this article for now, as it does not seem incorrect. Trailblazer101 (talk) 23:37, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We have sources confirming that most new films and series developed by DC Studios will be set in the DCU. The ones that aren't need special sources to confirm that is the case. Like Trail said, we would not assume that a new project from Marvel Studios is not set in the MCU unless otherwise specified. - adamstom97 (talk) 06:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, Gunn said Xolo Maridueña would play Blue Beetle in the DCU, and the series is planned to bring most of the film's cast back. BestDaysofMusic (talk) 15:29, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi everyone who looks at this, I want to make sure a systematic change I wish to make won't cause trouble.

After a few discussions of concerns over article precedent and consistency I've had with @Trailblazer101 (with input from @YodaYogaYogurt154), I want to ask if everyone would be okay if I went and did the tedious work of adding |publisher= parameters to the references of each and every DCU-constituent article. I know that MCU and DCEU articles do not have this parameter, but I wish to be purposeful in starting to add this detail in every article of the DCU while it is small, and so everything within this scope is at an increase of encyclopedic value, even though it's not technically required, it adds good info. BarntToust (talk) 20:46, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(ping @Adamstom.97, @KingArti, @InfiniteNexus, @BestDaysofMusic, @RebelYasha, @Dcdiehardfan, and @Rusted AutoParts) BarntToust (talk) 20:53, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have already opposed this cosmetic change at Superman (2025 film) and in the discussion at my talk here as the |publisher= parameter is neither required nor necessary for the direct sourcing of the websites, journals, newspapers, etc. that make up the citations of these articles, and is only really needed with book or print refs. As an example, not every Deadline Hollywood citation needs an additional link to Penske Media Corporation as the source for the information is Deadline, not Penske. Trailblazer101 (talk) 21:04, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And per the directory above, I have already supported this cosmetic change because there are no groundbreaking reasons to not include these details, and is only just more informational, more prim. If BarntToust wants to kill time, let her. It's ultimately adding more encyclopedic content, which happens to be this site's sole purpose. Stylizations such as this do not detract any measurable aspect from user experience, and this would simply make the topic look even more professional when done. YodaYogaYogurt154 (talk) 21:16, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:CITEVAR exists and if this is the attempt to change the established consensus of not including the parameter to including it, I am opposed. MOS:VAR would also apply: I don't see the substantial reason for the change. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 23:50, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Precisely. CITEVAR was what I was getting at in my points. Thank you. Trailblazer101 (talk) 01:58, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The publisher of a website is generally not noteworthy or significant, unlike the publisher of a book where it is a key aspect. I don't see the need for this change. - adamstom97 (talk) 06:16, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I'm withdrawing my proposal for this. We got bigger fish to fry than this frivolous content. BarntToust (talk) 12:51, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

|publisher= is not normally used when citing news articles, unless if we are citing an organization (e.g. BBC) or if the source is "embedded" within another (e.g. Intelligencer). WP:CS1#Work and publisher states: The "publisher" parameter should not be included for widely-known mainstream news sources, for major academic journals, or where it would be the same or mostly the same as the work. |newspaper=[[USA Today]]|publisher=[[Gannett Company]] is listed as an example to avoid. InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:38, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An example in this sphere of content on Wikipedia where |publisher= is useful/needed is when citing anything from Total Film, SFX, or Newsarama, all those are "embedded" under GamesRadar+ and their url's are such (ie www.gamesradar.com) so that distinction is necessary. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:49, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dynamic Duo

It's the new movie announced, even if it's not explicit it should logically be part of the DCU and be connected to The Brave and the Bold. It should at least be added in the future filmography of DC Studios. D.C. 95.255.59.123 (talk) 13:07, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think we need a source confirming that it is part of the DCU since it seems to be a special/unique project. - adamstom97 (talk) 13:14, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The new DCU is NOT a "soft" reboot

Some Wikipedia editors insist on retaining the "soft reboot" label. That is simply not true. A soft reboot is a reboot that shares some continuity with the original series. James Gunn confirms that the new universe does not share any continuity. We must consider this to be a full/complete reboot. Saying it is a soft reboot is just blatantly dishonest.

As per this Forbes Magazine article, the upcoming DCU is a new universe.

As per this Screen Rant article, nothing in previous DC movies or shows is canon.

As per this ComicBook.com article, only a few cast members will reprise their roles in this newly created universe.

— ScottSullivan01 (talk) 19:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gunn has confirmed that some cast members are reprising their role from The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker, and some of the events of those projects are taken as having happened (for example, Creature Commandos takes place after the events of Peacemaker season 1). So it is not a full reboot, and this is supported by sources in the article. Nothing in the sources that you have provided contradicts this. Please do not add your changes to the article again as you have done multiple times now, you must gain new consensus in this discussion before restoring the changes. - adamstom97 (talk) 20:02, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would it be best to list the projects that maintain some continuity with the DCU, when we have confirmation that they, in fact, do? This may help some realize why it's classified as a soft reboot, despite a very clear change from the DCEU. Brayden8881 (talk) 20:14, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No. Because as Gunn has said... NOTHING is canon. Nothing. ScottSullivan01 (talk) 21:14, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some of the events will be the same, but Gunn has been adamant that nothing before Creature Commandos is canon, not even Peacemaker season one. Retaining some actors and recycling story threads might cross the threshold for the reboot to be considered "soft" though. Prefall 20:15, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]