Talk:D20 Modern

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Per RPGGeek, various RPG magazines/periodicals reviewed the d20 System, such as:
- "D&D" in Anduin (Issue 88 - Jul 2004) (in German)
- "Modern Obstacles - Sparking Players' Interests in Modern Campaigns" article in The Silven Trumpeter (Issue 11 - Jun 2004)
- "Legions Realm Reviews" in Legions Realm Monthly (Issue 4 - Dec 2002)
- "Design Example: Alternate B2s" in One Thousand and One Nights and One Night (Vol. 1, Issue 3 - Apr 2007)
Gaming the City by L. Christopher Johnson (academic abstract listed in Learning cities in a knowledge based society). Abstract states: "This article explores how the d20 Modern RPG system can be employed to give urban planners opportunities to experience a series of exercises to develop the critical thinking and problem-solving skills for those situations, which can affect the modern metropolis".

Moreau Series

"Also, d20 Modern includes the moreau character race(s) which seem to be an uncredited adaption of the background of the Moreau Series of books by S. Andrew Swann."

I think whoever wrote needs to explain why he thinks it's an adaptation of these books, like cite specific similarities in plots, for example. —This unsigned comment was added by 87.126.1.37 (talk • contribs) .

I'm with the above person-the Island of Dr. Moreau is the obvious source for both, and it's not like animal people are some huge new inovation. —This unsigned comment was added by 128.189.130.90 (talk • contribs) .

d20 System Non-Knowledge

It's a little extreme to state that anyone who knows D&D or the d20 System also knows d20 Modern. There are substantial enough variations from the core system to merit 'non-knowledge' -- for instance, a D&D player may be unfamiliar with d20 Modern's unique massive damage rules, or the vehicular combat and movement rules which I certainly haven't seen in any D&D source. I've adjusted the article accordingly. (AdeptOmega 04:58, 10 March 2006 (UTC))[reply]

The paragraph in question was added last month by Jesse Mulkey, who has a track record of adding copyrighted text to articles, including this one. I suspect that this paragraph was another instance, considering the tone and wording of it. Good job modifying it. Powers 12:12, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Those rules are not prominent enough to invalidate what was written in the entry. Massive Damage Rules and Vehicular Combat could be considered optional rules. —This unsigned comment was added by 65.23.217.105 (talk • contribs) .

Point of clarity: Are you implying that the existence of optional Massive Damage rules validate this article, or that optional rules are not prominent enough to eclipse copyvios? Orethrius 16:43, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In the effort to make the sentence exactly right, I think it became convoluted and hard to understand. Just dropping the second sentence ("While there are rules specific to the d20 Modern roleplaying game, the similarities between this game and other d20 system games outweigh the differences.") would make the paragraph more readable and just as accurate. Micaelus 03:41, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

D20 Modern Roleplay problems

Classes in d20 modern are ridiculously non-specific, leaving open possibilities that should not arise during roleplaying. For example, a person could play a child molesting charismastic hero. This is lewd and wrong for individuals to imitate the sick in our society. I've witnessed games where people roleplayed mentally retarded gunslingers, homosexual cowboys, as well as incestuous lovers.

In each of these cases, the people who played these parts (the game lasted 8 months) imitated their characters in real life. One molested his cousin, another has a natural lisp and pretends he is retarded to people he does not know. He also has began carrying a fold-out oozie, which I find wildly innapropriate. The last of my friends began, you guessed it, sleeping with his step sister and they eventually married.

I would appreciate is wikipedia would take down all realistic roleplaying articles in order to encourage people to avoid them. Or as a lesser solution, make the articles shorter and less interesting.

Thank you for your time.

Billy Mcnoogle —This unsigned comment was added by 216.166.193.119 (talk • contribs) .

The problem is the person

I'm sorry Billy, But gaming and roleplaying have nothing to do with being retarted or a molester etc. People who roleplay those characters, either are great creative individuals who are looking at the story aspect of the game, or they secretly are those roles in real life. I'm sorry but it's like saying wikipedia should not have articles about violent movies because they make people kill each other. Actually, it's almost exaclty like saying it is wrong and lewd to write books about people you see as "distrubed". Last time i checked, most books of that nature are allowed to be published. When was the last time they refused to publish a book about vampires because they feared the writer was a distrubed person that drinks blood? A game is a game, so if you have a problem with the very few people that are disturbed, i suggest you take it up with them. Either that, or you should move onto trying to censor every other article on wikipedia. Thank you. —This unsigned comment was added by 24.115.248.32 (talk • contribs) .

Please don't feed the trolls. =) WP:TROLL. Powers 13:25, 29 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

d20 Modern uses spelling "Roleplaying"

FYI, Wizards of the Coast uses the spelling "roleplaying" on all its products, including d20 Modern and D&D. In fact, if you look at the picture of the cover shown in this article, you can see the word "Roleplaying" on the cover. Likewise at the d20 Modern official product listing. Corrected the spelling from "role-playing" in the article (except for Categories) Dugwiki 16:43, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You also changed valid links from "role-playing" to "roleplaying" even though the displayed text didn't include either. (Psionics (role-playing games) specifically). There's a redirect, so it's ok, but be careful next time. =)

Yeah, I'm watching for links to become invalid. I'm thinking that eventually the "role-playing" spelling in articles labelled "XXX (role-playing games)" ought to be changed, which is a topic of discussion in the Wiki RPG portal. For now, as long as the redirect exists, I don't see an issue using the non-hyphenated spelling. Dugwiki 15:31, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]