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Requested move

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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved per the majority in favor and the general use of capitalization in Category:Dog breeds. The content of the article makes clear that this is a dog breed and not a new species of animal. If it were a separate species we might be tempted to use sentence case. EdJohnston (talk) 04:19, 23 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]


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Czechoslovakian wolfdogCzechoslovakian Wolfdog – To coincide with about 10 text mentions with a capital W and not one with a small w. Relisted. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:27, 5 February 2014 (UTC) SergeWoodzing (talk) 07:47, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose – It matters not what is in the Wikipedia article, but what the sources say. The sources could be improved, but I took a look at the current ones. Both capitalised and non-capitalised versions are present. So there seems to be no particular "accurate" way at the moment, plus the rationale is not valid. C679 10:30, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • It should be added that there is significant presence of "Czechoslovak" rather than "Czechoslovakian" as the name, which should also be established. C679 10:34, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Can we agree that it looks illogical, confusing and inappropriate that the dog's name in the whole article text has another format than that in the article's name? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 11:38, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone else care to weigh in here? I am a firm believer in consistency and would like someone to explain why we e.g. have an article called German Shepherd (not German shepherd). Is it because "Shepherd" cannot be considered the name of a group of species, whereas "wolfdog" is such a group name? --SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:11, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This seems to come up intermittently in various dog breed articles - the norm appears to be to use initial caps; I think the most recent discussion was here. SagaciousPhil - Chat 10:17, 1 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
See Saarloos wolfdog and Kunming wolfdog. While I agree with Cloudz679, I think SergeWoodzing raises an important point; as wolfdog is seemingly closer to concepts like shepherds or collies or spaniels, than it is to lynx, badger or otter. I'm actually for lower-casing dog breed names if possible. Timmyshin (talk) 18:03, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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Is the standard for dog breed names documented? Where? Andrewa (talk) 07:59, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Common dog in Slovakia

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This isn't really encyclopaedic, but by observation it's a much more common breed in Slovakia than 50 pups registered per year nationwide would suggest - I assume most are not registered. Sorry that isn't actionable but if anyone finds info that contradicts/clarifies the article then please be inclined to believe it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.237.234.100 (talk) 18:33, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It was created buy Slovakian guy

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Karel Hartl was not a breeder of this breed! It was Slovakian guy called Frantisek Rosik! And it was his idea to cross breed a Carpathian wolf with German shepherd. It was not idea of Karel Hartl. That is very misleading informational. Karel Hartl just wanted a new breed to protect borders. And it was Frantisek Rosik ....very famous and respected cynologist. He is a true father of Czechoslovakian wolfdog. Not Karel Hartl. It's basically a Slovakian national breed but it was registered as Czechoslovakian breed. But it was a Slovak guy who created this breed near Bratislava region. Within the Bratislava PS Brigade, Rosík methodically and professionally managed the breeding of service dogs of the German Shepherd breed, established competitions of dog handlers and service dogs of the PS and experimentally crossed other working and service breeds of dogs for the needs of the PS. Therefore, since 1960 he has been actively involved in the project of interspecific crossing of the Carpathian wolf with the German Shepherd, which was initiated by the Chief of Service Cynology of the General Administration of the PS, then Major. Ing. Karel Hartl.

The PS kennel was moved from Šamorín in 1964 to the premises of the PS Training Battalion in Malacky, and finally to Dlhé Lúky near Moravský Svätý Ján. In 1965, the General Administration of the PS ended the interspecific crossing project, but František Rosík, supported by some passionate civilian cynologists, began to toy with the idea of ​​creating a new breed of dog, so the interspecific crossing project changed his lifelong mission.

He continued to cross selected individuals, methodically and professionally managed breeding within the Bratislava Union PS and for civilian breeders. He formed a new breed and prepared its standard. Breeding the breed became his lifelong mission, he became the "father" of the new Slovak breed, which the International Cynological Federation recognized as a separate breed under the name of the Czechoslovakian Wolfhound 46.34.245.110 (talk) 22:02, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 20 November 2022

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Opposing voice noted that the current title is recognised, and have shown some evidence that the current title is the preferred name. Even if to be moved, there's no consensus on another name to be the title. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 13:25, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Czechoslovakian WolfdogCzechoslovakian Vlcak – incorrect common name for a breed recognized by the American Kennel Club and United Kennel Club as the Czechoslovakian Vlcak. Czechoslovakian wolfdog is used in the UK where the breed is not recognized by the national kennel club. Accurate terminology for this breed is important due to the potential to misconstrue this purebred breed of dog with mixed breed wolfdogs, which are common in the USA, and the legal issues that come with that. Vlcaksociety (talk) 21:03, 20 November 2022 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 22:24, 20 November 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 06:58, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: looking for consensus on one name. – robertsky (talk) 06:58, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Some books that I have in digital form and can easily search:
  • Anne Rogers Clark, Andrew H. Brace (1995). The International Encyclopedia of Dogs. New York: Howell Book House. ISBN 0876056249: "Czechoslovakian Wolfdog", page 195; "Ceskoslovensky Vlcak, see Czechoslovakian Wolfdog", page 493
  • [Bruce Fogle] (2013). The Dog Encyclopedia. London; New York: Dorling Kindersley. ISBN 9781465408440: "Czechoslovakian Wolfdog", page 40; "Ceskoslovenský Vicak FCI see Czechoslovakian Wolfdog", page 351
  • Kim Dennis-Bryan (2020 [2012])). The Complete Dog Breed Book, second edition. London: Dorling Kindersley. ISBN 9780241412732: "Czechoslovakian Wolfdog", page 34; "Czechoslovakian Vlcak see Czechoslovakian Wolfdog", page 344
NB this last book is pretty much a reprint of the one above; please note also that these three are all among those that archive.org throws up in the search above. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:29, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Name of the breed

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@Vulpesking this is the English language Wikipedia so we use the English name of the breed for the article. There is a discussion about which resulted in consensus to use the English name of the breed. Start a WP:MOVEREQUEST if you think it should be changed. Traumnovelle (talk) 06:51, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]