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Text and/or other creative content from this version of Cursor (computers) was copied or moved into Pointer (computing WIMP) with this edit on 18:27, 20 December 2011‎. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

History of the cursor

Who invented the cursor? When was the first time someone programmed it to blink? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.129.224.36 (talk • contribs) 21:32, 15 November 2006‎ With regard to early use of the term, "cursor", the Operator's manual for the Sperry Uniscope 300 (1968) makes many references to "Cursor Control Keys" https://archive.org/stream/bitsavers_univacterm615Uniscope300OperatorsReference1968_4430036/UP-7615_Uniscope_300_Operators_Reference_1968_djvu.txt

The reference manual for the Datapoint 2200 describes under general features of the "CRT DISPLAY" the following: "... 5 x 7 solid, blinking cursor, alternates with character, nondestructive;..." ^[1]Db3593 (talk) 04:49, 20 September 2016 (UTC). Perhaps the reference manual was issued with the introduction of the Datapoint 2200 itself - as early as 1970.[reply]

References

^ http://history-computer.com/Library/2200_Reference_Manual.pdf

Cursor on early Windows versions

Although I've only used Windows 1 a couple of times, the mouse pointer appeared to be the same as the one used now (an arrow) - you can see it on screenshots like this: http://www.i-lo.tarnow.pl/edu/inf/hist/gui/images/w101aboutnote.gif I've replaced "early versions of Microsoft Windows" with the generic "many DOS programs", though I'm sure someone else can think of a better example (QBasic, maybe?) --Alex Whittaker 14:02, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In QBasic, the default shape of the mouse pointer in graphical modes was similar to the default Windows one, but not quite identical. Its tip was two pixels wide. I don't know if this was a driver dependent thing or specific for QBasic though. Shinobu (talk) 10:52, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

wikipedia text cursor

I've noticed that the vertical line text cursor on wikipedia's opening page has a small horizontal line in the upper right corner of the vertical line. IMHO it looks like miniature tilde. WTFlip is up with that? What's the purpose of that, does that have a name? Update: it only appears on my FireFox browser. 24.20.105.177 04:40, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In web pages with bidirectional fonts (such as Wikipedia's front page, that has both hebraic and latin characters), the little line indicates the driection of writing. 62.92.17.193 10:34, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Windows vs. Mac OS cursors: Black or white?

Why is it that Windows uses a white cursor while Mac OS uses a black one? 72.27.17.150 19:13, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can inform you that the older Amiga computers used a red mouse pointer, and KDE 3.x (Linux/Unix) uses a black one. My guess is that you want a color that is different from the most commonly used background color. Mac computers have historically been very common among DtP graphics artists who use white background the most, whereas Amigas were used for TV graphics where the background is usually dark. This is also the reason there is an outline around the pointer. JoaCHIP (talk) 08:22, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Sounds like a good guess, although nowadays it matters less due to the prevalence of light-grey backgrounds. And I guess that aestethic considerations may also enter the equation. When you look for custom cursors, you can find almost anything, including Mac-like cursors for Windows, retro cursors, silver, gold cursors, and custom shapes... I guess even such a little thing can be very personal. Shinobu (talk) 10:55, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Similarly, it cannot have passed most people's notice that the Windows and Mac arrow cursors are (but for the inverted colours) IDENTICAL. Is this a further example of Microsoft's idea pipeline gushing straight from Apple, or are both based on some earlier GUI system? Apple's System 1 used the same cursor, and there aren't many GUI systems that predate it - the Xerox Star had arrows, but they looked quite different (see http://www.digibarn.com/collections/software/xerox-star/index.html). Copying a general idea is one thing, but actually copying an image pixel for pixel is quite another.41.145.139.88 (talk) 12:19, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What is this called??

I know this question is probably in the wrong place, but I don't know where else to ask, but, what is it called when you hover your cursor over a link and a little box appears with some text? (I'm still new with computer words and how to ask questions.) Oslogirl5 21:18, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tool tip? — Tobias Bergemann 08:21, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

At your service. I'm not sure what the name is but I can tell you the code:

<html> <head> <title>title goes here</title> </head> <style type="text/css"> <style type="text/css"> a:link { color:white;background:blue;font size:20pt } a:alink { color:white;background:blue;font size:20pt } vlink { color:white;background:blue;font size:20pt } a:hover { color:blue;background:white;outset:1;width:200;height:20;border:black;font size:30pt } a:link,a:alink,a:vlink, { color:white;background:black:font size:10pt;border:black } table {color:white;background:blue } </style>

A:hover is what I think Is the name. --L Condolence _ 19:20, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The text that you see when your cursor is positioned over such a place is called "hover text" or "hovertext" sometimes people hyphenate it as "hover-text". Mostly what I've seen it called is the two word version, "hover text".47.215.223.127 (talk) 00:13, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Cursor or Pointer?

The article suggests that the "arrow shape on some systems" is why it's called a "pointer". Now as far as I know, most systems used by end-users (Windows/Mac/Amiga) are all using an arrow. But the explanation given does not explain why the mouse arrow is somethimes called a "cursor" instead of a "pointer".

I've always called it a "pointer" if controlled by a pointing device (mouse/joystick/trackball/eyetracking/etc) and a "cursor" if controlled by a text input device such as a keyboard. What is the correct labeling? Is there any "correct" way to name things at all? Which came first? - JoaCHIP (talk) 20:58, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The thing that you move around with the mouse is called a cursor. However, the world won't end if you called it a pointer. Most people will know what you mean, however, some circles of computer nerds might laugh and make fun of you. :P
However, I didn't think the prompt to input text in a word processor or other programs was called a cursor. I've always called it a text prompt. I suppose text cursor or caret is okay, but I'd be a lot happier calling them text prompts than simply cursors, because a cursor is what you move around with the mouse, like I said. 24.226.77.23 (talk) 19:13, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Windows documentation and function names usually refer to the mouse pointer as the cursor, while calling the text cursor the caret. Interestingly, there are a few mentions of mouse pointer in the Windows documentation, from a quick search these appear to be relatively recent additions. However, in common parlance, the cursor is always taken to mean the text cursor, while people call the mouse pointer the mouse pointer. Also, some newer Microsoft software, like the Visual Basic Forms and Controls library uses mouse pointer. What to make of this? Hard to say. Of course the Windows documentation is notorious for calling things by unusual names, usually due to historical reasons. Maybe common usage just changed over time. As for me, I prefer not to use the word cursor, as it can cause confusion with the text cursor. BUt if you'd explicitly say mouse cursor, then that wouldn't be an issue. Shinobu (talk) 11:08, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My impression is that Microsoft is the major reason for the naming confusion. I recently checked the Amiga (both OS and manual), and it's very consistent in using "pointer" about pointing devices, and "cursor" about text input. And it gets worse: Microsoft sometimes calls the cursor a "caret" (probably to avoid the confusion resulting from having two different things called "cursor"). But Wikipedia tells us is in fact a ^ character, so that's not any better IMHO. JoaCHIP (talk) 20:39, 10 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Microsoft's Manual of Style for Technical Publications 3rd Ed. says to call the arrow the "pointer" (not "arrow", "mouse pointer", "mouse cursor", etc.). Apple in the past has used both "cursor" and "pointer". The MS style guide and Apple's Human Interface Guidelines both say to refer to the blinking line in text as the "insertion point". I personally prefer to use "pointer" and "insertion point" because "cursor" is just too ambiguous. -- tooki (talk) 14:29, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On Linux systems the "insertion point" is often refered as caret RIMOLA (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:53, 10 August 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Interestingly, although the widespread Windows documentation calls the pointer 'cursor', Google states seven times more results for "mouse pointer" than for "mouse cursor". In view of the current 'swing' of Microsoft, the article should not be suggestive of "mouse cursor" being more correct than "mouse pointer". -- Rainald62 (talk) 11:38, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

VGA programming documentation refers to the text-entry object as a 'cursor', and the Commodore Business Machines Amiga Intuition Programming Manual refers to the text thing as a 'cursor' as well. It also uses 'pointer' to describe the mouse pointer. Renegrade (talk) 05:57, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hotspot outside of a cursor

I just tried what would happen if you placed the hotspot outside of the cursor, and it did pretty much what you'd expect. But that does mean that the article is slightly wrong in that it implies that the hotspot needs to be located inside the cursor. :-) Shinobu (talk) 11:10, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Database

A database' CURrent Set Of Records is also called a cursor RIMOLA (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:50, 10 August 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Move/Revert

Why was the article moved and then the move reverted? —danhash (talk) 15:50, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Moggridge

I've cut the meaningless sentence "Some details of the vertical bar's origins have been described in Bill Moggridge's Designing Interactions (ISBN 0262134748)." from the article, and don't know if it's significant enough for a "further reading" section. If anyone has a copy and wants to tell the reader what those details actually are, then feel free. --McGeddon (talk) 10:35, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cursor vs pointer vs caret

71.219.200.67, while I agree with the need to provide a more careful definition of the terms, your edit was a bit hasteful. The reference for the very first definition in fact uses "cursor" to mean "pointer", and the "3D cursor" section still refers to the mouse pointer with that word. "Cursor" is interchangeably used to refer to both the pointer and the caret by different sources, and the article should reflect that; what both uses have in common is signalling the entry point of user interaction, as the stable version explains. Maybe we shoud clarify that "cursor" is more common for the text insertion point, but it's not OK to remove all usages of "cursor" as the pointer. Diego (talk) 13:07, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In my experience, this is not true, the term cursor is used differently, the present article text is wrong, and must be corrected. In GUI interfaces with a mouse pointer, the cursor (or sometimes pointer) is the shape on the screen that indicates where the mouse (or other pointing device) is pointing, while the caret (also called insertion point) is the shape on the screen indicating where text will be inserted upon typing. They are generally a different shape and are generally at different locations on the screen. This terminology has been used for Macs, the X Window System, etcetera, since the 1980s. Rp (talk) 11:12, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cursor vs Pointer

In my experience with computers, since 1985, I have noticed that there are definitely two separate types of "pointers". There is a cursor, and a pointer. The original definition of a computer cursor in 1985 was the place on the computer screen where the user could input information. To this day 2017/11/03, there is still only one place that a user can input information, that is, where the cursor is. Originally, the user used arrow keys or other special keys to move the cursor to different locations on the screen. Wherever this cursor was, the user could type characters, or press enter to initiate some action. Later, the "pointer" was added, when the Mouse was invented. All that the pointer does, the only thing that the pointer has ever done, is move the cursor to where the user wants it on the screen. You cannot input information at the pointer location, if the cursor is not there. The pointer is not a cursor. A cursor is where input from the user goes. The pointer cannot input anything. Even when the pointer is moved to a clickable box, when the user "clicks" at that moment, the pointer merely moves the cursor to the box. The act of clicking, usually equivalent to pressing the Enter key, causes an action at the cursor location. If you pay close attention, you will realize that clicking moves the cursor from it's former position, and to get it back there you have to move it, select the original window with the pointer, OR, use arrow keys or special keys to move the cursor where you want to make your input. This move can be done with arrow keys or special keys in most cases, leaving the pointer back at the last clicked point. Once the cursor is where you want it, regardless of where the pointer is, your input will go where you have moved the cursor to, not where the pointer is.

In conclusion, the computer pointer is not a computer cursor, as defined originally by computer programmers.

You don't have to take my word for this. Try this in any program or app that you use. Move the pointer to where you want to input information, click the place, move the pointer away from that place and start typing. You will see that the pointer remains in one place, while the cursor moves along with what you type. The cursor is that place on your computer screen where you can input information. That's what makes a cursor a cursor. A cursor is not a pointer, and a pointer is not a cursor. They have to completely different functions.^[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.215.223.127 (talk) 00:06, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

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Named user cursors / Collaborative cursors

I would like to see some history related to the cursors popularized and invented by Google for their GSuite / Docs.

What I found was a patent application - https://patents.google.com/patent/US20120110443 (filed in April 2011 by Google LLC) which references loads of patents but as far as I can tell not a single 85.230.90.41 (talk) 06:17, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttp://history-computer.com/Library/2200_Reference_Manual.pdf

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