Talk:Cuneglasus

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Inexpertly, Cune...Goch would mean "hound - red" (not blue) in Welsh; and Gildas re-rendered the same as "tawny butcher" in Latin, not in Welsh. So, claiming Gildas was "not correct" is not (necessarily) correct. Gildas was writing, that the name Cuneglasse, re-rendered in Latin, would then mean (in Latin) "tawny butcher". If the current article is incorrect, then correcting the errors would improve the piece. 66.235.38.214 (talk) 12:23, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The glas is the blue part and goch has nothing to do with what Gildas was saying. Another editor has claimed that glas was also used for tawny (Brittonic had a grue color?), explaining Gildas's pun. —

Llywelyn II

02:54, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Latin fulvus ("tawny") was used to describe the color of a wolf's pelt by Vergil in the Aeneid (which an educated man like Gildas would certainly have read). In the Welsh Gododdin, wolves are styled glas (likely in its extended meaning of "gray") in verse B.16. In the 9th century Latin Vita of Paul Aurelian of Leon, the saint's bell is named "longi fulva" ("long and tawny") and was glossed in Old Breton as hirglas (hir "long" + glas "gray/blue/green/etc."). Cambridge University Library MS Ff. I.27 (Mommsen's X in his edition of the DEB), which contains material copied in the 12th century, including the DEB, the word lanionibus in sect. 19 of Gildas' text is glossed by lupis "wolves", so it seems certain that lanio "butcher" (i.e. one who tears) was understood in medieval Latin as being a byword for a "wolf". This is all discussed by Neil Wright, 'A Note on Gildas' "lanio fulve"', BBCS 30 (1982), pp. 306-9 (reprinted in: Neil Wright, History and Literature in Late Antiquity and the Early Medieval West: Studies in Intertextuality, Ashgate, 1995 , pp. 105-7).Cagwinn (talk) 06:52, 18 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Finished expanding the article, based on the suggested source on Welsh prosopography. Further sources would be needed to flesh it out further. Dimadick (talk) 10:14, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]