Talk:Cultural influence of Holst's The Planets

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We lost quite a lot of info because one user purged everything that wasn't sourced. see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Planets&type=revision&diff=917599368&oldid=917588208

I'm going to add the Manfred Mann stuff to this article, as it was a major theme running through his entire career, but as always it's hard to find the best sources on stuff you've read a long time ago and have memorized. Here's one , but I'm sure I'll find an even better one. Jules TH 16 (talk) 21:54, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

If it's not covered outside Wikipedia, if we're just relying on individual editors' sightings, it should be removed. Apart the inclusion violating WP:V and WP:OR, it's not worth noting. That edit was a good one.

I don't think a Facebook posting cuts it as a reliable source. TJRC (talk) 06:51, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

We're talking about a Top Ten hit based on a Holst composition. It's absolutely notable - possibly the most likely piece of Holst's music that anyone who's not into classical music will have heard.

The edit was not a good one because it arbitrarily cut out entire chunks of the article simply because nobody had bothered to source them. The decent thing to do is to at least have a cit-needed tag before obliterating information.

It's such a well-known fact, at least among people knowledgeable about the Earth Band, that there aren't that many primary sources I can find on Google. Things like this https://arcana.fm/2015/02/01/the-borrowers-manfred-manns-earth-band-joybringer/ (see the comment: "We all knew this connection with The Planets Suite and enjoyed that cross pollination of music.") or the entries on Secondhandsongs / Whosampled will be rejected, I guess.

Here is one reference in a book I even have myself. https://books.google.de/books?id=hk93DwAAQBAJ&pg=PT168&lpg=PT168&dq=manfred+mann+about+gustav+holst&source=bl&ots=vPxuUJ0us0&sig=ACfU3U0WPkFnrcZUFuVduHUOW_lx0zQ6kA&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjv5If3jof0AhUcgv0HHXmHCUw4ChDoAXoECCEQAw#v=onepage&q=manfred%20mann%20about%20gustav%20holst&f=false

And here's a review that refers to it. http://www.babyblaue-seiten.de/index.php?content=review&albumId=234&left=reviewer&top=reviews&reviewercont=12&reviewer=12#12164

Even the original single acknowledges it in the credits: https://www.discogs.com/de/release/729272-Manfred-Manns-Earthband-Joybringer Jules TH 16 (talk) 20:53, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

"It's a well-known fact" isn't sourcing though. You've listed a number of actual sources, and if they actually pan out (I can't verify the book; and some of the others may not meet WP:RS), it would be an okay addition.

This article periodically accumulates cruft and gets cleaned out. TJRC (talk) 21:49, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

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