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This is an article about an existing, active roleplaying game which is published in hardcopy. it is not an article about a website. It is notable because it describes a game which is an interesting fusion of Lovecraftian and anime elements being played in the real world . As such it doesn't seem to qualify for insta-deletion.

"Roleplaying game with unclear notability." What the heck does this even mean? Who defines notability and on what criteria? Does an RPG have to win awards to be notable? This is a game played by hundreds (possibly thousands) of people, and they would like a wiki page for it. That should be sufficient reason to allow it a page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Krypter (talk • contribs) 17:06, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What defines notability is secondary sources. I agree with you that this game does deserve to be on wikipedia, as much as stuff like Wushu (the roleplaying game) of all things gets to be here (well it looks like it's having notability problems too, oh boy). But what we have to focus on is making a presentable page, not fighting the system. Let's find secondary sources, clean up the page, and start citing things. I just joined Wikipedia today and am trying to clean stuff up. I added the table of contents, some subsections and more information. But given that I just did this within 15 minutes of joining, there has to be someone out there who'd be willing to help us with better formatting. Wyatt Salazar (talk) 16:43, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I've done a lot now, but there's still a lot of work to be done nonetheless. At least the article is starting to look up to standard, where as before it had no table of contents and sparse information. I need to get word from the guys over at Wildfire LLC about how much they're comfortable with being told on Wikipedia. They've been extremely protective of their setting beforehand, so I'm unsure if we can include any artwork or even how much they want us to say. Which could be a deal-breaker here. But a small framework is here now at least. Secondary sources (the Core books first, but after that, we really need interviews, RPG e-zines, publications and things of that nature) are a high priority. The Mongoose S&P issue with the bit on Cthulhutech's design history seems like a good start, as well as RPG Net reviews and such sources. Wyatt Salazar (talk) 17:11, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Still needs to assert notability

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The article is laid out better, but Wikipedia articles usually need some information about how it related to the real world, and not just plot summaries and gameplay rules. I suggest including history and/or critical reception section, and try to include references relating to third-party sources talking about the game (but not just messages posted on internet forums). Use the reference button (on the right) to include citations, and {{reflist}} at the bottom to display the references. If you're not sure what to do, post a message under here and I'll help further.

  • Thanks so much for the advice and help. Something preliminary's up. I'm having a really hard time finding stuff on the 2008 origins awards. Even Wikipedia itself doesn't have an area for the results beyond 2006. It's puzzling.Wyatt Salazar (talk) 20:11, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cleaning Up

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Now that the article has been temporarily kept from the chopping block, we need to better it to prevent it from getting slashed again in the future, and to all-around make it a better article. I'm not incredibly familiar with Wikipedia's writing guidelines except for NPOV (which I am trying to abide by despite it being somewhat confusing to me). When I have more time I will be reading up on Wikipedia's style guide and seeing how to tighten up the writing. Until then though, anyone who knows Wikipedia's writing well and can give some pointers, it'd be appreciated. Wyatt Salazar (talk) 18:13, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think the smartest thing you can do is look at some of the articles at Category:Horror role-playing games. See how they are presented - some good, some not so good - your goal is to become one of the better ones. You can borrow any of the elements on any article and apply it to this one. Does it need a template? One of those may have sorted that out already so you can copy what they use and switch out the information as needed. you also want to look at some of the articles that this one links to. There's an old adage that to become a better writer you need to read more. On Wikipedia that amounts to exploring other articles as well. -- Banjeboi 00:40, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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