Talk:Cruising (film)

As written

As written this article looks like little more than a tirade against the film. POV is presented as facts without any references cited to support it, aspects and meanings of the film that viewers have debated are presented here with only one (disputed) interpretation mentioned, and the article consists of about 80% criticism of the film. Needs either a complete rewrite, or somebody to go through and edit out the POV and factual inaccuracies and add a discussion of the different interpretations of the film to balance out the one already discussed. Kaibabsquirrel 1 July 2005 08:41 (UTC)

I do not see any factual faults with the film. By all accounts I have ever seen the film was a financial bomb, film critics had little good to say about it and gay critics saw it as bigoted.

Thanks, the rewrite looks a whole lot better. Kaibabsquirrel 2 July 2005 21:00 (UTC)

Infobox Image

There was no image in the infobox, so I added an image of the original poster. Unfortunately, the one I retrieved from impawards.com has some rather unsightly folds. If someone could locate an original poster image in better shape I would appreciate it. Thanks. Reimelt 17:56, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

rant

I agree with the comments made above. For full disclosure, I really enjoyed the film, but this article is so impartial it acts as one part spoiler and two-parts rant. It needs some serious editing. Daveworksunion 17:35, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

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Hate Crime section

I have re-worded the section on the hate crimes that were supposedly inspired by Cruising. A closer look at the citations shows that

First, I modified the following sentence: "In The Celluloid Closet, Ron Nyswaner, screenwriter for Philadelphia, recounts how he and his boyfriend narrowly escaped a beating by a group of college jocks citing Cruising to justify the attack.[24]" the citation is virtually copypasta from this article https://cinemaqueer.com/review%20pages/cruising.html, which states that Nyswanger was quoted from a documentary film adaptation of the book The Celluloid Closet. I have rewritten/paraphrased the sentence to more clearly indicate the source and to avoid copyright violation.

Second, I modified the following sentence more substantially: "Two months after the film's release, a bar prominently displayed in the movie came under attack by a man with a sub-machine gun, killing two patrons and wounding 12 others. Friedkin refused to comment on the attack." Again, this is essentially plagiarized from the source. The cited source is Queer Males in Contemporary Cinema: Becoming Visible, by H. Hart Kylo-Patrick. Kylo-Patrick's source is a 1995 article by David Ehrenstein of the Bay Area Reporter. Ehrenstein's article repeats the claim of a shooting at the Ramrod bar (featured in Cruising), but does not give the name of the supposed shooter or the supposed victims. http://www.ehrensteinland.com/htmls/library/cruising.html The section has thus been more dramatically re-written to track down the sources and explain the circumstances.

I have no reason to doubt Nyswaner's account. I have extremely high levels of doubt about the veracity of Ehrenstein's story. Given the controversy and attention the film received, I find it nearly impossible to believe that a shooting at a NYC gay bar that was featured in Cruising would not have been mentioned anywhere before 1995. Maybe someone else can find more reputable sources for this alleged event. If so, by all means please add them to the article.

I have also restored Camille Paglia's opinion of the film, which was inexplicably removed. She is a scholar or some renown, broadly sympathetic to LGBT issues, so her assessment of Cruising should be here.

LATER: I stand corrected. the shooting incident happened, though not exactly as described by Ehrenstein. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/16/nyregion/new-yorks-own-anti-gay-massacre-now-barely-remembered-orlando.html

ZeppoShemp (talk) 23:48, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

I don't see how the NYT contradicts Ehrenstein's words. Considering how unfair your initial assessment of him was (doubting that the shooting even happened at all) you should withhold your judgment.Rafe87 (talk) 05:28, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Regarding that section, I noticed that nothing was mentioned regarding what, according to director William Friedkin, inspired him to do the filmatization of Gerard Walker's novel (which he initially wasn't interested in doing) which he in the following interview between the marks 1:47 to 2:52 and 4:15 to 4:29 explains was a series of mystical unsolved murders within the leather gay community: ( Edited; apparently the Youtube-link to the documentary about the making of Cruising containing the interview with Friedkin was not allowed to be posted, however its title is The Making Of Cruising (1980) - William Friedkin Documentary and is avaible at Youtube where the above marked sections can be viewed ).

Maybe that should be mentioned, not the least as that was after all what made him change his mind from initial disinterest to instead participate in the production. - Okama-San (talk) 20:10, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Nobody talks about the music?

Shouldn't it be mentioned what really great music came with this movie? Like Willy de Ville, Germs, John Hiatt,... 193.196.237.21 (talk) 06:07, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Sure! Do you have sources that have discussed it? DonIago (talk) 06:23, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Is this an acceptable source for this article? https://www.discogs.com/de/release/411146-Various-Cruising-Music-From-The-Original-Motion-Picture-Soundtrack — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:C8:F48:4020:3FCE:85D:C730:E270 (talk) 17:13, 26 April 2024 (UTC)