Talk:Croc (game designer)

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Proposed deletion (18:09, 29 April 2015)

Hello,

Very poorly sourced, and I can find no better references. The article is mostly about various computer games than about the person anyway. (Reyk)

I don't think Croc ever designed video games. He wrote tabletop roleplaying games.

The article as such might not meet high standards, however, Croc is probably one of the most important French game designer and editor, at least one of his game was translated in English.

So, the article is to be improved without any doubt; one of the porblems is that Croc himself hardly give any public information about himself. But anyway, due the popularity of this game designer in France, the article is relevant.

E.g. the crowdfunding for a reedition of INS/MV raised more than 140,000 EUR (700 % of the 1st step) with more than 1,100 funders in 1 month [1], which, for the French market, is a huge success for sure (as a reference, the crowdfunding for the translation of Call of Cthulhu 7 was "only" 4 times higher).

cdang|write me 13:05, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have alerted a couple of international users who edit RPG articles (Kintaro and Moroboshi) to see if they can help find sources for this designer. BOZ (talk) 13:22, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, BOZ. Croc is one of the most famous and relevant French tabletop RPG designers ever. I'm pretty sure that in a few days I can bring a subsequent amount of references. Kintaro (talk) 18:30, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I will check if I find something, I known Croc but I think I dont have material about him - my source are mainly english and italian.--Moroboshi (talk) 04:32, 1 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Date of birth

I'm looking for sources, I'm finding them (no problem) and I will soon continue bringing references and support for the article. But... concerning the date of birth of Croc I only found this on internet. It is, seemingly, Croc's account on Copains d'avant (one of the most popular French social network services). Reading that page we learn that Croc was born December 16, 1965 (16 déc. 1965 in French), but... it is not an acceptable source on Wikipedia (it is ?). Whatever : I think Croc was born in Viroflay in December 16, 1965... but for now I can not prove it. Kintaro (talk) 22:43, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I just read the section "Self-published and questionable sources as sources on themselves" in Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources, so now, if everybody agrees with, I will use Copains d'avant (a social network) as a reliable source for Croc's birthdate. Kintaro (talk) 09:35, 7 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]