Talk:Crius

Titanomachy

I believe that the war between the Olympians and the Titans lasted ten years, not eleven as the article states. The Prime Source 20:06, 29 April 2007 (UTC) Dale

That's what I also read from the article on Titanomachy. That article has a reference. This one doesn't. I would replace 11-year with 10-year.

ICE77 (talk) 04:41, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Basement?

When the war was lost, Crius/Kreios was banished along with the others to the lower basement of Hades called Tartarus. Bold and italics mine. Is basement really an accurate description? RJFJR 13:22, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

It looks as if the sentence has been already fixed. ICE77 (talk) 03:31, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Lord of the South

I think crius is the lord of the south. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.185.20.166 (talk) 21:24, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Believing is not always proof to knowledge. What is the source? ICE77 (talk) 02:25, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

poorly written article

This is a poorly written article. The writing deviates from the subject constantly and does not stay on the subject whatsoever. It should be cleaned up but I don't have the time or motivation right now. Maybe I'll get back to it later.

Original: "In Greek mythology, Crius, Kreios or Krios (Ancient Greek: Κρεῖος,[1] Κριός) was one of the Titans in the list given in Hesiod's Theogony, a son of Uranus and Gaia. The least individualized among the Titans [2] he was overthrown in the Titanomachy. M. L. West has suggested how Hesiod filled out the complement of Titans from the core group—adding three figures from the archaic tradition of Delphi, Coeus, and Phoibe, whose name Apollo assumed with the oracle, and Themis.[3] Among possible further interpolations among the Titans was Crius, whose interest for Hesiod was as the father of Perses and grandfather of Hecate, for whom Hesiod was, according to West, an "enthusiastic evangelist"."

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"In Greek mythology, Crius was one of the Titans in the list given in Hesiod's Theogony, a son of Uranus and Gaia."

- Should be "and the son of Uranus and..."

" in the list given in Hesiod's Theogony"

- what list? 
- context should be given for Hesiod.  Context should be given for the Theogony
- Also because no context is given for Hesiod or Hesiod's Theogony, I have to recoomend that this part of the sentenced be moved from the opening sentence of the article.

"The least individualized among the Titans [2] he was overthrown in the Titanomachy."

- Should be something like "Crius was the least individualized of the titans. [2]"  And then really something more should be said about him before 'jumping' into the fact that he was overthrown in the Titanomachy.  Who was he?
- Also I recommend moving "he was overthrown in the Titanomachy" elsewhere because it is not directly about Crius enough to warrant being put in the first paragraph of the artcile.

In Greek mythology, Crius, Kreios or Krios (Ancient Greek: Κρεῖος,[1] Κριός) was the son of Uranus and Gaia and one of the Titans. Though he was in Hesiod's Theogony, he was the least individualized of the Titans.

"M. L. West has suggested how Hesiod filled out the complement of Titans from the core group—adding three figures from the archaic tradition of Delphi, Coeus, Phoibe, whose name Apollo assumed with the oracle, and Themis."

- I am going to separate this into three sentences and make it a new paragraph.

ML West suggests that Hesiod filled out the compliment of Titans from the core group. According to West, Hesiod added three figures to the archaic tradition of Delphi, Coeus, and Phoebe. Apollo assumed their name with the oracle and Themis.

"M. L. West has suggested how Hesiod filled out the complement of Titans from the core group..."

- ML West needs context.  Who is he and why should the reader care what he suggests?
- "filled out" is a phrase that is overly vague and replaced with something more literal and clear.
- "how" should be "that"
- what core group?  what "complement" of Titans?

"—adding three figures from the archaic tradition of Delphi, Coeus, Phoibe, whose name Apollo assumed with the oracle, and Themis."

- I am changing "Cooeus, Phoibe," to "Coeus, and Phoibe,".  This might be a mistake...
- who or what were the three figures?  
- what "archaic tradition" of Delphi, Coeus, and Phoibe? 

"whose name Apollo assumed with the oracle, and Themis"

- Context for Apollo and Themis should be given and how they relate to ... anything else in this sentence...
- whose name is Appolo "assuming" with the Oracle and Themis? Phoibes?  Maybe it should be "names" and Apollo is "assuming" Phoibe's, etc.'s names? ... 
- Honestly this should read something like "Appolo 'assumed' [someone's] name with the oracle and Themis"
- What is meant by "assumed"?

- I'm changing this sentence and I honestly feel like it's a great improvement.  But to remain loyal to the original content, I have to leave the grammatically erroneous vaguenesses.   

"Among possible further interpolations among the Titans was Crius, whose interest for Hesiod was as the father of Perses and grandfather of Hecate, for whom Hesiod was an "enthusiastic evangelist"."

- what is meant by "interpolations among the Titans"?

"Among further interpolations among the titans was Crius, whose..."

 - "was" is extremely akward.  How about "Crius was among possible further interpolations among the Titans, whose..."
- I am going to end the sentence, and start a new paragraph.

"[Crius's] interest for Hesiode..."

- Should be "Hesiod's interest for Crius".  I'm pretty sure of this.  Since Hesiod was a poet, and Crius a Titan, Hesiod could not possibly have held any interest to Crius, correct?

"[Hesiod's interest for Crius] was as the father of Perses and grandfather of Hectate..."

"[Hesiod's interest for Crius] was as the father of Perses and grandfather of Hectate, for whom Hesiod was, according to West, an "enthusiastic evangelist"."

- First of all unless either Mr. ML West or Hesiod quoted Hectate as an enthusiastic envangelist that should not be quoted.
- So I am guessing the author of this article is saying that Hectate was who ML West described Hesiod describing as an "enthusiastic envangelist"  
- Honestly, I think the "according to West" and the quotes need to be removed solely for the sake of cleaning the article.
- Should just be "Crius was the father of Perses and grandfather of Hectate."  

Crius was among possible further interpolations among the Titans. Crius was the father of Perses and grandfather of Hectate.

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In Greek mythology, Crius, Kreios or Krios (Ancient Greek: Κρεῖος,[1] Κριός) was the son of Uranus and Gaia and one of the Titans. Though he was in Hesiod's Theogony, he was the least individualized of the Titans.

ML West suggests that Hesiod filled out the compliment of Titans from the core group. According to West, Hesiod added three figures to the archaic tradition of Delphi, Coeus, and Phoebe. Apollo assumed their name with the oracle and Themis.

Crius was among possible further interpolations among the Titans. He was the father of Perses and grandfather of Hectate.

(citations haven't been put back in yet though)

66.214.216.77 (talk) 00:32, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Comments and question

This article is certainly not one of the best I read on Wikipedia. It has a few unclear sentences and it can be improved.

1. "M. L. West has suggested how Hesiod filled out the complement of Titans from the core group—adding three figures from the archaic tradition of Delphi, Coeus, and Phoibe, whose name Apollo assumed with the oracle, and Themis".

This sentence could be improved. It's somewhat unclear and not elegant.

2. "Among possible further interpolations among the Titans was Crius, whose interest for Hesiod was as the father of Perses and grandfather of Hecate, for whom Hesiod was, according to West, an "enthusiastic evangelist"".

This sentence needs to be rewritten. It just doesn't sound good.

3. "The joining of Astraios with Eos, the Dawn, brought forth Eosphoros, the other Stars and the Winds."

Who wound be the "Stars" in this context?

ICE77 (talk) 02:28, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

4. Phainon seems to link to Saturn for some reason. Even if they're equivalent like Jupiter and Zeus in Roman/Greek mythologies, they are not "the same", just as Zeus and Jupiter aren't actual aliases on the site.