Talk:Cristiano Ronaldo/Archive 5

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Personal life

The name of his parents isn't those. The name of his mother is María Dolores Aveiro, and the name of his father is Jose Dinis dos Santos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.208.81.41 (talk) 22:36, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Summary

Using a PFA nomination as a source for saying, "Ronaldo is widely regarded as one of the most talented footballers of his generation", is very non-NPOV. Change it or I'll make a fuss. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.119.3.135 (talk) 11:38, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

RE: Possible move to Real Madrid

As yet don't have a source to link to, but he was just recently on Portuguese television confirming that he agrees with Sepp Blatter's comments that he should be free to walk away to another club and that it's a modern day equivalent to slavery. This should get interesting. Jamesrstewart (talk) 23:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/manchester_united/article4313059.ece Could this work? Thecomaboy (talk) 07:33, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

After talks with Sir Alex Ferguson,Ronaldo decided to stay with the reigning English and European champions for at least one more season. Ryan Giggs asked him to leave Old Trafford on a high like the way Eric Cantona. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Makansutra (talk • contribs) 13:38, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Introduction

Suggest removing "(KNOWN AS THE FAKE RONALDO)" as we don't want to see the page of every footballer littered with insults from rival fans. For purely factual reasons also, as one could easily demonstrate that Cristiano Ronaldo is currently more successful and well-known than his Brazilian namesake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mongoletsi (talk • contribs) 12:49, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

It's a widely used nickname, and the successful bit is very debatable. Ronaldo, the real one, has won the World Cup, World Player of the Year, two Uefa Cups, before they were meaningless, so it's not easily demonstrated that Fake Ronaldo is more successful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.83.235.56 (talk) 06:06, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't recall people calling Robbie Keane "THE FAKE KEANO", despite Roy Keane being vastly more successful than his Robbie. I'll accept "(known by rival fans outside of the UK, as "The Fake Ronaldo")". In the UK, there is certainly only one "Ronaldo" when referred to by fans and pundits alike. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mongoletsi (talk • contribs) 13:22, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Robbie Keane has never been known as Keano though. Fake ronaldo is a widely used nickname inside the uk for this chap also. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rainbow red (talk • contribs) 00:15, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Only in a derogatory way though, which is a bit inappropriate for this article. – Pee Jay 06:17, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Transfer specuation

Have removed the ridiculously biased transfer speculation section:

1) real have not made an 'approach' for ronaldo, in any official sense
2) none of the sources given actually have ronaldo claiming he wants to go to madrid. all are 'a source close' or 'a friend'. the player himself has not yet clearly or directly expressed a desire to join madrid this summer in his own words, or put in a transfer request to that effect.
3) the section contains a number of quotes from schulster, calderon, et al but little from SAF or united.
4) why on earth does sepp blatter's faintly ridiculous (widely condemmed) opinion comparing a player earning thousands a week to a slave have to do with anything?

wikpedia is a source of fact - this section bears more resemblance to Marca. wikipedia is not the place for tabloid transfer speculation (see the Ronaldinho page for a number of reverts on this basis). until the player has actually agreed to move - which at present seems highly unlikely unless real find 100 million euros down their sofa - all this warrants is a couple of linesJw2034 (talk) 08:58, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

If the "approach" phrase in the section header is the issue, then we can rephrase it - while there may not have been an official transfer request or an offer, Calderon and Schuster have spoken on the record about wanting Ronaldo, and about how much it would cost.
Which sources quotes friends? Perhaps you can replace it with this article, which has him clearly expressing his desire to play for Madrid.
Yeah, we could use an SAF quote or two, especially the bit about how the Glazers are willing to banish him to the stands.
As ridiculous and buffoonish as Blatter is, he *is* the president of FIFA, so his opinion does matter, sadly.

But really, there's enough WP:RS covering the saga and enough verifiable events that this little episode arguably passes WP:N. Sure, it could use some improvement, but that's not a reason to remove it. And "speculatively linked" is rather disingenuous, considering all three parties involved have acknowledged the link. --Mosmof (talk) 14:28, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

This "transfer speculation" over-detailing s really unnecessary. I mean - 4 paragraphs for lots of talking? The important thing is his career, whatever he does on field and not speculations surrounding him. There are way too many details about this summer and I think that this section needs a really hard cutting. I do think that it should be mentioned, after all it got the attention of all football-fans around the world, but seriously, check football featured articles. Mostly there are 1-2 paragraphs per season. Here we’ve 4 paragraphs for a single summer, where C. Ronaldo hasn’t done anything on pitch – his career. —Preceding unsigned comment added by הגמל התימני (talk • contribs) 00:20, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

You know, I've edited the section, defended it, and restored it after it was deleted, but you're right, this is a bad case of WP:RECENT. I still think the media circus around the transfer, if not every little minutiae of the saga, as well as the formal complaint to FIFA are relevant, but I agree, 4 paragraphs is a bit much. It will be easier in a couple of months, when the transfer does/doesn't go through, and we have a better perspective on this. --Mosmof (talk) 02:51, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I would advise people to wait until after the 31 August (the closure of the transfer window) to see what happens first, and then add it in. If you see any juicy gossip in the meantime (from a reliable source, obviously, rather than just "A friend of the cousin of Ronaldo's sister's father-in-law says that he heard from a guy in the pub that Ronaldo has had secret talks with someone who looked like they might be Spanish"), then I'd save the reference somewhere and have it to hand once there is a section in the article discussing this saga. El Pollo Diablo (Talk) 07:14, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

As long as everything's reliably sourced, doesn't create WP:BLP issues, and we don't let things get too out of hand, I don't think it's a big deal if we let the transfer section get a little larger than we'll have it in the long run. While wikipedia's not the news, I think there's greater harm in not covering the transfer debate now and possibly losing sources/contributors than there is in letting (sourced, non defamatory) additions in, even if in the long run they may get cut because of fears of undue weight. Obviously, we should still keep the section within reason: it can be a little bigger than we'll want longterm, but shouldn't be so large as to dominate coverage. When its over, we'll have a well sourced summary of events from which to draw our eventual paragraph. I do want to emphasize that while I don't think a little bit of excess length is anything to stress over, things that could be defamatory or aren't reliably sourced are, and we should keep a close watch in that regard. Vickser (talk) 12:32, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I think that as long as this section looks a newspaper article with all those quotations, it doesn't have any legitimation to stay here. This section needs to be cut, and leave links to external-sources (such as the wonderful Wikinews) that will expand the reader's knowledge about this transfer speculation. HaGamal 12:31, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Hopefully all over? http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www.publico.clix.pt/&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3DPublico%26hl%3Den%26rls%3DGZEZ,GZEZ:2008-29,GZEZ:en-GB http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/7546390.stm Darkson (BOOM! An interception!) 21:41, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Wahoo. Added that and cut most of the rest of the section. If someone wanted to add in a small paragraph about the Sepp Blatter slavery thing, that might be appropriate, but I don't think it's necessary. Vickser (talk) 22:31, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

(is that enough colons?) Agreed on the Blatter quote (again, despite what I wrote earlier). And based on Calderon's "He is the first and almost certainly the last signing we will make this season." statement strongly implies that Real's interest in him is pretty much dead. I'm guessing that ManU's complaint to FIFA is the only notable aspect of this transfer non-saga, since he's linked to Real or Barca pretty much every summer. Mosmof (talk) 23:02, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I think the "slavery" comment was quite an important remark in terms of the overall transfer saga. It was certainly the most controversial thing said about the whole issue anyway :D Might be worth a couple of lines. – Pee Jay 23:23, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Hurray. Logical thinking won! Thank you all, guys. One paragraph is fairly enough. HaGamal 00:39, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

on Wednesday 6th August,Ronaldo spoke to portuguese newspaper Publico that he is staying at Manchester United for at least another year and on that day the Ronaldo transfer saga was finally closed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nani17ronaldo7 (talk • contribs) 15:09, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, we know, hence the two links above. Darkson (BOOM! An interception!) 15:40, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

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"Ronaldo profile" :
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DumZiBoT (talk) 14:17, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

which date format to use?

A date audit has shown a mixture of both international and US. I've used US throughout now, but please buzz me if this is not a good idea. Tony (talk) 10:36, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Since the subject is more of interest to British and European readers, the international format should be used, BUT as long as you wikilink the dates, i.e. [[Septermber 2]] [[2008]] or [[2008-09-02]], it will be displayed in whatever format you choose in your preferences. Nonetheless, you should try to keep the format consistent, and I think the Day Month Year format would be the best. --Mosmof (talk) 15:26, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I'm stupid. I just read MOS:SYL. Forget what I wrote. I still like the UK format though. --Mosmof (talk) 15:28, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

I prefer the format "2 September 2008". It's the one I use the most when editing articles anyway. I always thought that "September 2, 2008" was the American format, seeing as Americans write dates MM/DD/YYYY. – Pee Jay 16:00, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Bid from Man City!

According to the Guardian here [1], Manchester City's new owners say they are preparing a £135m bid for Ronaldo. I wouldn't mention it in the article however until if and when they actually make the bid. This may well be a stunt intended to demonstrate the level of their ambition since it is hard to imagine that they believe that he might actually join them, but still I hope they are serious and that they make the bid if only to see Ferguson's reaction! MarkB79 (talk) 18:40, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Possible Error

"and wrapped up the campaign with a career-high 42 goals in all competitions, falling just two short of Denis Law's team-record mark of 46 in the 1963–64 season." Is that a mistake or am i missing somthing? --81.103.41.86 (talk) 16:53, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Early Career

CR initially played central defense for CF Andorinha due to his size and strength. I think that this is worth adding as so many big young players get thrown in defense for their first few matches and they mostly hate it. If they knew that this was the starting position for some great players then they might change their minds.Alextravellion (talk) 08:52, 27 September 2008 (UTC)Alex Travellion

Can you prove that he started his career as a central defender? – Pee Jay 09:02, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Ronaldo playing position

To verify,Cristiano Ronaldo of Manchester United plays as a winger and a second striker.Makansutra (talk) 13:44, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

When Ronaldo plays up front, it's usually as a primary striker. A second striker would be more like Rooney or Tevez, playing off the top, and that's not Ronaldo's style. – Pee Jay 14:34, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

That is his style.Ferguson used him as a second striker to partner either with Ronney or Tevez —Preceding unsigned comment added by Makansutra (talk • contribs) 15:14, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Not from what I've seen. When Ronaldo plays up front with Rooney or Tevez, he is used as the primary forward, with the other as the second striker. – Pee Jay 15:24, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

To verify, Ronaldo is a striker.This has been clarified by http://www.4thegame.com/club/manchester-united-fc/player-profile/4021/cristianoronaldo.html.

At no point on that page does it say that Ronaldo is a striker. It says he's a forward, sure, but that's because he's a winger, a type of wide forward. – Pee Jay 15:21, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

slave club

in the section where it talks about him going to real madrid, it should be written that he agreed with sepp blaters comments that man u were treating him like a slave, is that not significant? or have all the fanboys forgotten already.:) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.155.237.211 (talk) 23:51, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Referring to other editors with a pejorative is probably not the best way to get them to engage and work with you. --Mosmof (talk) 19:14, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

New Photograph

Surely there has to be a better photo that can be used, as the one at the top of the page makes the whole article look tacky. Y2J RKO (talk) 09:20, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Looks fine to me. What do you think is wrong with it? --Jameboy (talk) 13:33, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

it should be updated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RatedGNR (talk • contribs) 08:04, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Why? It's a perfectly fine picture and it's not like his appearance has changed dramatically since it was taken. If for some reason you don't like the photograph, you could always attend a match a take a photograph yourself. Mosmof (talk) 21:46, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

There are many footballer articles that don't have any photos at all, while this article has two fairly decent ones, so it is in reasonable shape as far as that is concerned. As this is an encyclopedia, it's really not that vital that the player be shown in the latest kit design or whatever. But as Mosmof says, if it is that important to you, get along to a match or public appearance and take a photo. --Jameboy (talk) 21:59, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I changed it to Image:C Ronaldo.jpg last night, but I was reverted a couple of hours later [2]. --Kjetil r (talk) 20:28, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the revert. The existing portrait shot looks better in the infobox. --Jameboy (talk) 20:42, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Assists

I believe that as he is a winger, known for assisting, then assists SHOULD be included. Also it shows his record as a team player as well as an individual. (Piyush90 (talk) 16:59, 2 November 2008 (UTC))

Regardless, you need to cite the assist information. I've reverted the edit for that reason. --Jameboy (talk) 17:30, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Jameboy's action. Until the info can be cited, it has no place here, and even then I'm not sure of its worth. – Pee Jay 17:41, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Also, are assists officially kept by sanctioning bodies or reliable media? Even if the Premiership, or an outlet that covers the Premiership, kept assist numbers, I have a feeling it's not universal among all associations and competitions. Mosmof (talk) 19:11, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Goal & Apps Error

It currently says on this page that he has scored 72 goals in 170 apps, but its says on the official Manchester United FC website that he has actually scored 99 goals in 250 apps. Get it changed!!!

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Erm, no. The infobox is for league statistics only. – Pee Jay 17:52, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Get it Changed he has now scored 100 goals recently against Stoke City! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 7Mozam7 (talk • contribs) 15:56, November 15, 2008

I'm pretty sure he didn't score 100 against Stoke. Mosmof (talk) 18:54, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

NO I MEANT HE now has 101 goals 4 man utd not 100 vs stoke —Preceding unsigned comment added by 7Mozam7 (talk • contribs) 19:40, November 15, 2008

And the 101 goals are reflected in the "Manchester United" and "Career statistics" sections. The reason you don't see it in the infobox is because the infobox only shows league statistics. Mosmof (talk) 19:21, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Appearances and Goals

Ronaldo has now scored 101 goals for manchester united (08gwiltl (talk) 14:45, 22 November 2008 (UTC))

Please see Talk:Cristiano Ronaldo#Goal & Apps Error. --Mosmof (talk) 15:54, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Sir Matt Busby Player of the Year

His Sir Matt Busby Player of the Year awards (Manchester United Club Player of the year) for 2003/04, 2006/07 and 2007/08 should be added in Individual Honors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paalegge (talk • contribs) December 1, 2008

I believe it's not listed because the award isn't a major, federation- or PFA-sanctioned prize, or one that receives extensive media coverage. If I understand correctly, it's chosen by the club's supporters and teammates.--Mosmof (talk) 16:42, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Ah, yes, I am sure you are right. I knew that Carlos Tevez' profile listed his Hammer Of The Year award, but now I checked it, it's gone. Personally I think those kind of official awards from a player's club should be included, but it's not that big a deal.

My issues with club awards, even major ones like the Sir Matt Busby Award are that the criteria and procedure differ from club to club, and you're only picking from some 25-odd first team players, as opposed to awards that pick from entire leagues and federations. But I'm not completely sold either, and I think WP:N would be a good guide with awards like this. --Mosmof (talk) 04:43, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

arrogance

we must put a section on his disgusting and shamefull arrogance —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.108.19.62 (talk) 00:11, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

No we mustn't. Wikipedia isn't a soapbox for your views about a player. If his "arrogance" is widely covered in the media, then please give some examples. --Jameboy (talk) 00:20, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

take off that stupid quote by cruyff at least put it down in personal info or player profile or something —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.185.180.187 (talk) 18:28, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

No. Feudonym (talk) 03:00, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

playing position

there is a blatant error on this page and that is the playing position of christiano ronaldo. contrarary to popular belief, he is in fact a forward and not a winger. any objective football viewer will know this. please edit it as it is misleading and makes the player seem better than he actually is —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yusufeseedat (talk • contribs) December 14, 2008

Incorrect. Ronaldo plays as a winger. – Pee Jay 14:03, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

I give you this from the winger article.

"Some wingers prefer to cut infield (as opposed to staying wide) and pose a threat as playmakers by playing diagonal passes to forwards or taking a shot at goal. Occasionally wingers are given a free role to roam across the front line and relieved of defensive responsibilities."

Sound familiar at all? Sillyfolkboy (talk) 16:46, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

What is an "objective football viewer" anyway? Whatever it is, the discussion starter does not seem like one. the discussion starter is not one. FWIW, BBC and Premier League call him a midfielder, and [Man Utd calls him a winger. UEFA actually calls him a forward, but for some reason, he doesn't seem any less of a player on UEFA.com than on other sites, so I don't think the discussion starter's claim holds much water. Plus, a winger is part midfielder/part forward anyway, so it's like arguing whether something is green or blue or turquoise. Mosmof (talk) 19:49, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

2007/2008 Goal Tally

Ronaldo scored 31 goals, I think it should mention that he is only one of 5 player to ever score more than 30 league goals in a premiership season behind Andy Cole (twice, Kevin Philips, Alan Shearer and Thierry Henry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.158.17.104 (talk) 21:33, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

FIFA Club World Cup 2008

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As European Champions, Manchester United were entitled to compete with other teams from other continents for the title of World Champions. Cristiano Ronaldo was called as part of the squad that traveled to Japan prior to participating in the FIFA Club World Cup semi-finals. His first goal in this competition came against Gamba Osaka (on 18th December 2008) in first half injury time. Ronaldo directed a powerful header past Gamba goalkeeper Yosuke Fujigaya. The final score was 5-3 to Manchester United.

Beating Gamba Osaka meant that Manchester United made it through the final against LDU Quito on 21st December 2008. Despite not scoring a goal, Ronaldo assisted Wayne Rooney's winning goal in the 73rd minute. Cristiano Ronaldo was a constant threat especially in the first half and entertained the crowd with his tricks and flicks. He was given the Runner-up Player of the Tournament Award. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Legendary7 (talk • contribs) 18:53, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

I made the edit, however I condensed and reworded it slightly, hope it reads ok.Gandygatt (talk) 19:08, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Personal life Ridiculous statement

"Ronaldo," was chosen after then-U.S. president Ronald Reagan, who was his father's favourite actor at the time" - this statement is absurd. Since when was US president Ronald Reagan an ACTOR?? Yeah I know presidents are accused of being puppets, but seriously... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.219.255.133 (talk) 00:18, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Since 1943. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001654/ --Mosmof (talk) 00:22, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Well I never... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.219.255.133 (talk) 00:39, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

As awkward as it may sound, it's a completely grammatical, and therefore logical, sentence. The way it's written, "favourite actor at the time" grammatically refers to the time when the name was chosen (not the time in which Reagan occupied the presidency), and at that time Reagan was Cristiano's father's favorite actor. Obviously, Reagan wasn't appearing in movies at that stage in his life, but it is still legitimate to refer to him as an actor. In the same vein I can currently call Pete Rose my favorite ballplayer even though he retired twenty years ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.215.42.145 (talk) 20:01, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Scoring from the bench... literally

{{editsemiprotected}}

At the moment in the 2008- section it says that he returned to action after an injury in July on 17th September, but scored his first goal on 30th August.

Also, shouldn't there be a link to this Ronaldo from the other Ronaldo's page, at least? I mean, I get why the other guy is at that page, but three pages before you get to the world player of the year, having typed his surname? 81.108.87.117 (talk) 01:09, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I've corrected the date. Thanks for catching that. As for the name, I don't see what the issue is - there's a link at the top of Ronaldo to Ronaldo (name). Not sure what more we could do. --Mosmof (talk) 02:00, 31 January 2009 (UTC)--Mosmof (talk) 02:00, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Already done and

Not done:. I don't think it'd be appropriate to add another dablink at the top of Ronaldo. —Ms2ger (talk) 12:56, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

2006 World Cup

The date of quarter-final match against England is wrong. It should be 1 July 2006 See: http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/archive/germany2006/results/matches/match=97410059/report.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.74.239.6 (talk) 14:28, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. – LATICS talk 15:37, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

cristiano ronaldos wife is sue see arr . she is very pretty. he is gonna marry her and pepopse to her at one of his soccer games:) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.51.153.57 (talk) 08:20, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Final Goals

There is no mention of his goals in the 2004 FA Cup Final or the 2006 League Cup Final. He scored one in each, and I feel any goal scored in a major final is definitely worthy of putting down on someone's wiki page —Preceding unsigned comment added by Steveww (talk • contribs) 13:28, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Profile link

suggest link to good in-depth profile at http://www.contacttheplayers.com/profiles/cristiano-ronaldo/311.html Footballprofiles (talk) 16:33, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

That would be a spam link as it does not add anything, or expand on anything not already found in the article. Regards, Woody (talk) 16:52, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Honours

Ronaldo has won 2 charity/ community shield medals. I can't add it as the page is protected so I'll hand the task over to a person with the capabilities. Good day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.110.42 (talk) 22:18, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

He didn't play in the 2008 Community Shield; therefore, he didn't win it. – LATICS talk 23:44, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Lock

Can we not move that ugly lock box away? Can we not instead have a semi-permanent lock? I don't see the point in allowing new users to edit the article for 2 weeks in the summer and having to have an ugly lock box at the top for the privilege. It reflects negatively on the article to have the box there, the first thing it says is essentially 'Wikipedia is plagued with vandalism, therefore anything you read on this site should be taken with a pinch of salt'.--EchetusXe (talk) 18:48, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. I've "smalled" the lock to the corner. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 20:29, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

bravo! Dribblingscribe (talk) 21:10, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Pronunciation

If his name is pronounced "Cristianu Ronaldu" then why do no commentators adopt this? I've also never heard "Decu" or "Luis Figu" before. Yet a lot of people say David Villa's name properly. Spiderone (talk) 16:21, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

"Dah-veed Vee-lya/Vee-ah" is not a difficult pronunciation for British people to master, AFAIK. Pronouncing an "O" as a "U", however, is not an easy thing to get used to. Also, isn't it supposed to be "Crees-tee-ah-nu Ro-now-du"? – Pee Jay 18:02, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

The problem is that the Portuguese "U" sound is actually pitched half way between a received English "O" and "U" sounds. If English people began saying "Cristianu Ronaldu" the U would generally be pronounced "-oo" due to accent variation. This is actually further from the Portuguese pronunciation than our simple "o" is.

It's important to note that vowel sounds vary considerably from language to language. English is a great example of this at dialectal level: think of the variations in the vowels of "paper" (for example) in Scouse, Scottish, Yorkshire, and Essex accents. The variations are difficult to replicate successfully for most people. Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits) 20:33, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Why this? (Portuguese pronunciation: [kɾɨʃˈtiɐnu ʁuˈnaɫdu]; - this is an english language site. How do those cryptic glyphs help or inform anyone?

Some people will find this useful; if you don't, just ignore it. – Pee Jay 08:47, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

His International caps need updating

He is now on 64, someone please correct this —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.3.3.112 (talk) 22:08, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

118 Goals?

In the article it says in the grid that he has scored 118 goals for Manchester United but on websites such as soccerbase and soccernet, I can only count 117. In the grid it also says that he has scored a goal in an other game, is this the goal that these sites are missing out. If yes, can you tell me this other game that he scored in? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.6.236.20 (talk) 22:16, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Ronaldo scored against Gamba Osaka in the Club World Cup in December 2008. – Pee Jay 00:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. LG 12:56, 25 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.6.236.20 (talk)

Move to Real Madrid Confirmed? (11th June 2009)

Should we change Ronaldo's club information as according to both Real Madrid and Manchester United's websites the deal has gone through. However both websites have stated it will take up till the 30th June for the deal to go through. So should we change it now or then? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robriotuk (talk • contribs) 10:01, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Let's not get ahead of ourselves - it's fine to mention that Madrid made the offer and United accepted but we can't call him a Madrid player until he signs the contract. Cricketseven (talk) 10:01, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Exactly. Neither United nor Real have suggested that the deal has gone through, only that Real's £80 million bid was accepted by United. Ronaldo still has to agree personal terms, pass a medical and get international clearance. There are many things that can still put this deal in the gutter... – Pee Jay 10:42, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I removed the Real Madrid section from the infobox. He's not signed yet. Guy0307 (talk) 10:59, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I removed the statement about Kaka's transfer being the second highest if Ronaldo's goes through. Kaka was sold for less Euros and so it only seems the record transfer in the UK. Officially Kaka transferred for less than Zidane. —Preceding unsigned comment added by San1140 (talk • contribs) 12:27, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the above, but want to remind you that WP:3RR applies even if you are correct. Rettetast (talk) 12:34, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

He has not yet completed contract negotiations - Manchester united expect the deal to be completed (assuming the pay is enough) around June 30. Should be kept the same until then. weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 19:08, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank-god the page is semi-protected... Which one of you fanboys is going to create the *extremely brief* RM section? Please avoid speculation.

I think the deal is pretty much confirmed. Ronaldo has expressed his desire to move so many times that it is almost a given he will manage to accept personal terms. Why dont we say his Man U career is over? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.16.119.88 (talk) 19:33, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

You can. Add it here an we'll transfer it to the article. Rettetast (talk) 19:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

'I am a Slave' outburst

Since it was widely covered in the media and is relevant to when he wanted to transfer to Real Madrid but Manchester United didn't release him, his I am a "modern-day slave" outburst should be included, surely? Found a source for it too - http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/ronaldo-i-am-a-slave-864958.html

90.217.102.9 (talk) 22:19, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

It wasn't Ronaldo who said it, it was Sepp Blatter. – Pee Jay 22:21, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Crissy's gone, get over it fanboys

The transfer is approved, remove the part about him playing for Manchester United. 68.244.104.35 (talk) 04:10, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

The bid has been accepted by Manchester United, but Ronaldo is not yet a Real Madrid player as he has not yet agreed personal terms or passed a medical. – Pee Jay 08:29, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Ronaldo is gone!!! He will pass the physical and they didn't just shell out 131 million to have him with United for another season. He IS apart of Real now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.28.81.115 (talk) 15:59, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

No, he's not gone yet, and he won't be gone until he signs on the dotted line. – Pee Jay 18:23, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Diving

I find it ironic that in a supposed impartial article there is no mention of the "diving" tag that comes with Ronaldo.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.25.106.209 (talk) 07:44, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

But why would you write that he dives all the time if its impartial material thats surely a biased attitude. 78.105.206.251 (talk) 11:37, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I have updated the Diving element. There's a large volume and it merits inclusion. I have included negative comments by fellow pros as well as Ferguson's defence. Also factual information on his bookings YokoIrl (talk) 15:46, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

"Diving Accusations" section is pure bias, he's the only player with even a request for a diving section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.118.117.164 (talk) 23:59, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

U-21

Ronaldo’s Portugal U-21 stats in the infobox aren’t correct. According to UEFA match reports he played seven matches and scored two goals during the UEFA European U-21 Championship 2004 qualification campaign. And that’s not counting in possible friendlies. Unless someone can come up with a proper source stating the exact number of matches and goals, it should be removed.

However his role in the U-21s probably should be mentioned in the article as he scored a goal and the decisive penalty in the second play-off match against France. He didn’t feature in the final tournament for obvious reasons (UEFA Euro 2004) though. –Kooma (di algo) 10:58, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Real Madrid

Real Madrid have signed Ronaldo for a World Record 80 million pounds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.137.45.108 (talk) 22:02, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Accepting a bid ≠ immediate transfer. Ronaldo is still a United player, and will be until the English season ends on June 30th. After that, it won't be official until he signs a contract with the club. – LATICS talk 22:24, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Correct, except Ronaldo will continue to be a United player even after 30 June (assuming he hasn't signed a contract with Real by then) as his current Man Utd contract runs until 30 June 2013 (IIRC). – Pee Jay 22:48, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Ronaldo hasn't commented on the transfer yet

{{editsemiprotected}} Ronaldo didn't comment on the transfer nor did he say something along the lines of "flattered". Ronaldo's agent officially denied the quotes contributed to Ronaldo: "All declarations that came out as being made by Cristiano Ronaldo are false and abusive. Cristiano Ronaldo is on vacation enjoying himself after another hard season, where professionalism proved to be his trademark once again, and he had no contact with the Press since then. The World’s best player holds, and will carry on, in silence, thus all and any declaration assigned to him cannot be taken seriously because it is absolutely not true or authentic."

source: http://www.gestifute.com/gestifute/noticia.php?noticia_id=785

Therefore this part of the article is wrong: "Ronaldo himself also expressed his delight at United accepting the offer, even claiming that he is "flattered" by the thought of two of the top teams (in reference to Manchester United and Real Madrid) wanting him to play for them." --> it needs to be removed —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kendriana (talk • contribs) 00:33, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Not done: Welcome and thanks for wanting to improve the accuracy of the article. The cite for the "flattered" quote appears reliable while the gestifute.com site simply declares the statement you quoted, without attribution or byline. There is no claim on the site that this was a press release from his agent and the wording ("and abusive") seems unlikely. Can you find a more reliable source? Thanks. Celestra (talk) 13:55, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi! Gestifute is the company of Ronaldo's agent Mendes; Gestifute.com is the official website of Mendes' company: http://www.gestifute.com/gestifute/quemsomos.php The published articles there are press releases; the quotes contributed to Ronaldo are false or at least denied by his agent.(talk)

Already done Hi. I think the difference would be that a press release would say that the agent denies that the interview took place. With that as a reference, you could add a sentence that says that the agent claims the interview never took place. With this site, the best that can be claimed is that someone on that site denies that the interview took place. Our conversation is moot, though, since someone has removed the sentence. Cheers, Celestra (talk) 13:53, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Picture

Horrible picture in the infobox. Perhaps someone could at least trim away some of the excessive green space surrounding him in the frame so that he becomes more of the focal point of the image. It won't help how ridiculous he looks in the picture but it's a start. sixtynine ^{• spill it •} 23:58, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Bit of an exaggeration to say it looks horrible, isn't it? It's certainly better than the photo that was there before, especially now that this one has him facing the camera. – Pee Jay 00:15, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Isn't Ronoldo on Real Madrid? Why hasn't anyone changed it? 64.252.23.219 (talk) 19:49, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Read the above sections. – LATICS talk 20:53, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Utd to Real CONFIRMED

He's signed a 6 year contract and will move on 1st July. Good riddance I say!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/8121951.stm

...although I guess it is still subject to medical.

Twsf (talk) 19:53, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Transfer of Cristiano Ronaldo to Real Madrid on a six-year contract

Cannot change the page myself for some reason so requesting someone else does.

Thanks :)

Yes it is definitely confirmed. Both clubs have said it, and Realmadrid already has a profile for him on their site and announced his presentation date. he is a Real Madrid player! Hala Madrid!

Read the above section. – LATICS talk 20:07, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Contrary to popular opinion, signing a deal does not mean a move is complete. For example, I apply for a job at Acme Widgets International. I ace the interview, Acme Widgets and I settle on my salary, and my start date. At that point, I am not yet an Acme Widgets employee. Today, Acme Widgets faxes me an offer sheet, with the figures and the start date I agreed to. I sign the letter, and return the fax. At this point, I am still not an Acme Widgets employee. And I don't go around telling people, "I work at Acme Widgets". No, I tell people, "I will start at Acme Widgets on the 1st of July". Only on 1st July, can I park in the Acme Widgets employee parking lot, drink the free coffee in the Acme Widgets break room, and edit Wikipedia articles from an Acme Widgets computer. Now, replace "Acme Widgets" with "Real Madrid" and "I" with "Cristiano Ronaldo", and you can understand why Ronaldo is not yet a Real Madrid player. --Mosmof (talk) 20:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Exactly right, Mosmof. At least we can put this whole silly business to bed now! – Pee Jay 20:51, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree with both of your comments, and I retracted the edit I made in the Real Madrid article, but technically, the same thing you said applies both ways, meaning that he shouldn't appear in the Manchester United F.C., since he is no longer their employee. I don't mind either way, but just wanted to mention it. Cheers.--Bocafan76 (talk) 21:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually, his United contract runs for another four years (I think), and it will only be terminated once the Real Madrid contract comes into effect, so he should still be listed on the United page. – Pee Jay 21:03, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Right. To extend the workplace analogy, if I give a 2-week notice with my current employer, and I have a job lined up afterwards, I'm still an employee of the old company. --Mosmof (talk) 00:41, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Why is Glen Johnson listed as a Liverpool player then?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.76.95 (talk • contribs)

Because Glen Johnson's transfer has been completed, something that doesn't happen in this case until 1st July.Darkson (BOOM! An interception!) 10:22, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually thats not entirly correct. No transfers are complete until the first of July (thats when the transfer window opens). The point is if all parties agree (both clubs and the player) then we tend to list that player as transfered. However in this case, while man u and real may have agreed a fee, no personal terms have been agreed with the player yet. As such the deal may (however unlikely) fall through. Until all parties have agreed a deal (1st of July or not) then the transfer should not be listed. Once they have (1st of July or not) then go ahead. Paul Bradbury 22:36, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually, according to the BBC, Ronaldo has agreed terms on a six-year contract worth £11 million a year. But they do note that the transfer will not be completed by the three parties until 1 July, with the player to be officially presented on 6 July. – Pee Jay 22:42, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Right, but that is speculation, until it is officially anounced (which by the sound of things is 6 July) then nothing should change. Paul Bradbury 22:45, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

2004 UEFO Euro Final

{{editsemiprotected}} The text says: "[...] and reached the UEFA Euro 2004 final with Portugal, in which he scored his first international goal.". Portugal lost the 2004 finals 0:1 against Greece, see UEFA_Euro_2004#Final_2 , so this can't be correct. Nkuttler (talk) 23:07, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Please remove the ", in which he scored his first international goal." part . His first goal in the tournament was indeed against Greece, but in the opening game, not the finals. I only have a link to a german page that confirms this: [3] Nkuttler (talk) 12:37, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

tlx|editsemiprotected seems to indicate you believe this comment has been handled in the text. Please state your reasons for changing tag and not the article. For more facts, see UEFA_Euro_2004_Group_A. I'm not familiar with the policy on discussion pages, but shouldn't you sign such changes too? Nkuttler (talk) 13:29, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

I did change the article. It now reads "in which tournament he scored his first international goal". – Pee Jay 20:27, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

He aint a Madrid player quite yet

he is still st united and is hence still on their roster on this same site —Preceding unsigned comment added by P34c0ck1991 (talk • contribs) 18:59, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Reversed. Still some 4-5 hours before its 12 AM July 1 in that part of Europe. --Madchester (talk) 19:40, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

ok now he is a Madrid player

http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={91EA3BE2-963A-4BAB-802C-F46A0EF3FCA3}&page=1

--P34c0ck1991 (talk) 23:17, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Nº 9

Number 9 is NOT yet confirmed, thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Locampy (talk • contribs) 18:48, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

It is now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.210.1.217 (talk) 19:24, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Profile pic

The picture of Ronaldo at his presentation at the Bernabeu is from a terrible angle; so terrible that I do not believe that it is appropriate to use that picture as the infobox portrait. Granted, it's not brilliant to have a pic of him in United kit as the profile pic, but it's certainly a better portrait than the new one. – Pee Jay 20:35, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

More importantly the picture from the presentation is Reuters picture, as used on the New York Times article on his presentation [4], so it's a copyright infringement. srushe (talk) 21:02, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh, well if it's a copyright infringement then the picture definitely must not remain. – Pee Jay 21:03, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

The profile pic still shows him in a United Kit. Time to change to the white Kit ? - Ajo Paul

At present, there are no free alternatives to the current image. If anyone could take a photograph of Ronaldo in his Real Madrid kit and upload it to Wikimedia Commons, that would be extremely helpful. However, until that time, the current image is the best option we have. – Pee Jay 16:07, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Partners/Spouses

Cristiano Ronaldo is currently dating Sabia Shah. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bia7399 (talk • contribs) 14:42, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

It can only be included if it's sourced Spiderone (talk) 15:10, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Portuguese Footballer of the Year

It says that Ronaldo was Portuguese Footballer of the Year (2006-07) but on the Portuguese Footballer of the Year article, he is not listed.--92.3.58.152 (talk) 15:04, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Home Debut

{{editsemiprotected}}

Ronaldo made his home debut against Al Ittihad in the Peace Cup on 27th July,2009. Around 25,000 fans turned up at Bernabeu to watch the winger in action compared to the 80,000 who had witnessed his induction to club earlier. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajopaul (talk • contribs) 14:02, 27 July 2009

Not done: Thanks for wanting to improve this article. It appears that these are lines of text you would like to have inserted into the article. You need to specify where in the article to insert them and there is enough factual content to merit a reference to the source of the information. If you can deal with those two problems, start a new request and someone will stop by and do the insert. Welcome and thanks again! Celestra (talk) 15:18, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

WHEN WILL THE PAGE BE UPDATED? PLZ UPDATE THE PAGE........!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Praneet007007 (talk • contribs) 06:23, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Diving section

If Ronaldo has one then why doesn't Didier Drogba or Arjen Robben? I don't think it's encyclopaedic at all. Spiderone (talk) 12:57, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Maybe we should add one to Didier Drogba, Arjen Robben, Joe Cole, Steven Gerrard, etc. then. – Pee Jay 19:42, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

This section is ridiculous - there's more about diving than his early life, CD Nacional or Sporting Clube de Portugal. It's huge - virtually the same size as the international section. I've never seen a full section on diving for any player. It's unencylopedic and the entire section should go.Utopial (talk) 17:10, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

If any of his dives are notable they should just be merged into the main career section Spiderone 08:05, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

The question here is: Why only C.Ronaldo ?? (the creator of this section know why :). for me it's unencyclopedic.--KSA^connect 11:06, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

is he the best

of course he is not.this player that is a defender called michael which is me can own him any day any time any where. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.76.17.13 (talk) 10:38, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Source? Spiderone (talk) 12:35, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

LOL! – Pee Jay 14:43, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

FIFA 09. ;) – LATICS talk 02:13, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

assists

Hello everyone,

what about the assists of Cristiano? They aren't found in the table (only matches and goals). On the other hand the total number of assists and assists in every season are found in Lionel Messi's page for example

please provide these information if possible

Assists are not typically recorded in English football, so finding data for his assists while with Manchester United will be quite difficult, and hence there is probably no point in adding the data to the table. – Pee Jay 16:29, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Playing style

he doesn't have one, so I added one what do you think?

Simba1409 (talk) 23:30, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

ad campaigns

I know Cristiano Ronaldo has been in a number of advertisments, not only three. I just can't seem to be able to find those commercials and stuff so I was hoping someone could help me out here and maybe recall and ad they saw with him into it. I believe that his advertising is a very important part of who he is so that's why I would like to expand the section on advertisement campaigns. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikysilva94 (talk • contribs) 01:19, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Update Individual Honours

He is a member of the 2009 UEFA Team Of The Year —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.229.239.73 (talk) 08:12, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

The Portuguese Footballer of the Year link says that he didn't win it. No idea if this is correct or not just thought I'd mention it. Robin —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.92.84 (talk) 21:12, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Appropriate art

I beleive that there is no problem with my art. It's obviously no "fun art", besides it's much appreciated in Hellenic edition of Wikipedia (http://el.wikipedia.org). Please have a look in my contribution there. There are three other drawings here (Bob McAdoo, Vassilis Papageorgopoulos in list of Mayors of Thessaloniki, current President of South Africa e.t.c.) already removed from the articles. Why? This is not a fair practice, I'm afraid...--ΑΝώΔυΝος (talk) 07:55, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not your own personal art gallery. If we have other free images available, there is no reason why we should need to put your drawings in the articles. And in my opinion, your drawing isn't very good anyway. – Pee Jay 07:57, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

O.K. I understand. But in Giorgos Zabetas'article the drawing remains since you have no other to put... And personally speaking, in my opinion, you aren't very king anyway. Try to sketch something like this and then critisize. The way to say something is -obviously-not your best point---ΑΝώΔυΝος (talk) 08:06, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

LOL, I'm not saying I could do any better - in fact, I know I'm a lot worse at drawing - but that doesn't remove my right to comment on your work. If your drawings were of a notable standard (i.e. they had had third party coverage in a reliable source), then perhaps they would be worth including, but they're just not that good. – Pee Jay 18:15, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

This is fortunately, only your opinion, not the truth. I have the right to comment on your comments, you know...--ΑΝώΔυΝος (talk) 22:09, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Another thing to consider is that, if the drawings are based on existing photographs, then the copyright would belong to the original photographers/news agencies (see Barack_Obama "Hope" poster#Origin and copyright issues). Mosmof (talk) 18:54, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Of course... And if I had been a painter who had had drawned a physical view, the rights of my work would belong to the mother nature, not to me. So simply...--ΑΝώΔυΝος (talk) 22:09, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

That's not the same thing at all. For one thing, Gaia can't be a copyright holder. – Pee Jay 00:08, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

That, and God has been dead for over 70 years, thus entering all his work into public domain. Mosmof (talk) 00:24, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Is this your (both) sense of humor?--ΑΝώΔυΝος (talk) 08:57, 18 February 2010 (UTC) To be serious now, no photographer/news agency could never proove that my work was inspired by their creation. I could simply make it, looking at the existing view or person, which isn't (for sure) their possesion. Good morning from Greece, all the best --ΑΝώΔυΝος (talk) 23:52, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

cristiano ronaldo

86.123.197.161 (talk)ballon d'or and fifa world player of the year runner up's don't count because cristiano ronaldo won ballon d'or and fifa world player of the year in 2008.86.123.197.161 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:03, 1 March 2010 (UTC).

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