Talk:Criminal deportation

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2023 comment

This page doesn't even know what it is about. Botany Bay? Papillon? or some US specific legal procedure. Who knows? Timbow001 (talk) 01:31, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Timbow001: Clearly, this article has not adequately informed you about the topic of criminal deportation. Assuming readers know nothing about this topic, what was your expectation about this topic before you read it? And how can it be improved so that it leaves you in a state of knowing and being better informed? - Cameron Dewe (talk) 21:16, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I was looking for information on the history of judicial deportation aka transportation. What I found was this page, which opens with a definition of the term which is more confusing than informative. An alien is deported? but not for being an illegal alien, is that a typo? And I have to read on before I gather that the thing is about some obscure US specific legal procedure. A page on the subject might be appropriate but here it's as if you had a page titled 'World Philosophy' and it read 'World Philosophy is a Cocktail bar in the downtown district previously thinkers drinkers...' Sort of disappointing. Timbow001 (talk) 23:50, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

PS Clearly it was me who didn't know what the page was about, not the page. A proper subject definition would help, and one of those sections " For Criminal Deportation in the rest of the World see here, here, and here." Timbow001 (talk) 23:55, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Timbow001: Thank you for that explanation. Frankly, I agree with you. The term "alien" seems to be a jargon term from US law, and perhaps carries specific US cultural connotations about non-citizens that might carry different meaning(s) elsewhere in the world. In Australasia, for example, the term "alien" is almost always used in the context of something being of extra-terrestrial origin. It might be better to talk about a person's immigration status and whether they are lawfully or unlawfully residing in a particular country, and what happens to change that status when the person commits a criminal offence. For example: Australia's Migration Act has a character test (section 501) that allows people convicted of criminal offences to be deported. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 00:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]