Talk:Cradle of Henry V

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Did you know... that George V gave the cradle (pictured) that was said to be that of Henry of Monmouth (later Henry V who was at Agincourt) to the London Museum?

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Where is it now?

Presumably it should be still in the Museum of London, which has moved to the Barbican, but I have no idea whether it really is there. Does anyone know? Andrew Dalby 13:29, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You could ask them. Also, do we know if there has been any modern testing of whether it does actually date from the 14th century, or later? Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:05, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't yet found any reference to it after 1912. Old, writing in the 19th century, was a real historian and was prepared to take the object seriously, but without actually pronouncing it genuine. Laking, who was interested in it 1908/1912, was an expert on medieval artifacts (arms rather than furniture) and, again, took it seriously. That's all I know at present. Andrew Dalby 11:19, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OK, found another reference now. Aymer Vallance, contemporary of Laking but a furniture expert, dates it firmly to "second half of the 15th century". So, according to him, it's old but not old enough. Vallance also says (I wondered about this) that it was "lent" to the London Museum. In which case, when the Museum left its Royal accommodation at Kensington Palace and went to the Barbican, the cradle might have gone back to the Royal Collection. Andrew Dalby 12:19, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and just to confuse us further, Vallance says that the cradle which was at Troy House in the late 19th century (mentioned in our article) is a different one, a "rival claimant", which he dates to the 16th century. I'll continue reading and I may do some rewriting later, unless someone else gets in first. Andrew Dalby 12:24, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.heritage-images.com/Preview/PreviewPage.aspx?id=1191583&pricing=true&licenseType=RM this looks like a recent image - from the Museum of London. It says the cradle is no longer considered that of Henry V. F596100 (talk) 04:24, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've added that to the article, on the basis that it appears that the caption was provided by the Museum of London. In the mid-C19, the cradle was owned by George Weare Braikenridge. Ghmyrtle (talk) 18:43, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The cradle remained on display at the Museum of London until 2005, when it was returned (it was a 'royal loan') to the Royal Collections. I'm going to update the article accordingly - also with more information on the cradle's history citing more up-to-date sources. John O'London (talk) 13:43, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Changes made with new references. John O'London (talk) 22:40, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]