Talk:Coxcox

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What legend is this flood story a part of? Excuse my own lack of wiki editing procedures, but shouldn't there be some link to the legend this refers to?

Another issue: I am having a hard time finding the pronunciation of this word - many nauhatl words transliterate x as ʃ or sh - but I don't know what sound x would have at the end of a syllable or word would it pronounced cosh-cosh or is is it pronounced as in english. Also, there was another Coxcox, ruler of Culhuacan during the 14th century. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.164.187.170 (talk) 14:49, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Possible References points:

- Mexico: Central
- Aztec (the Nahuas): Coxcox; Nata; Tapi.
- See:
- (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coxcox)

- See: the Codex Chimalpopoca.
- (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Chimalpopoca).

- Location of the codex: in the Instituto Nacional de Antropología e Historia located in Mexico City under "Collección Antiguo no. 159".
- See:
- (http://www.inah.gob.mx/)

- Also See:
- http://www.godslaidbare.com/pantheons/aztec/nata-and-nena.php
- http://www.mythologydictionary.com/nata-mythology.html
- http://www.leyendasmexicanascortas.com/leyendas-cortas/nata-y-nene/

Fake myth

There's no such legend or myth in Aztec or Mexica mythology. There's no codex/manuscript or archaeological evidence that supports the myth of Coxcox and the flood. Coxcox is not mentioned anywhere in the Codex Chimalpopoca. The quote "Ancient Aztec paintings often depict the boat floating on the flood waters beside a mountain." is absolutely wrong: no piece of art exist that matches that description. There is one drawing usually shown online, but that's a modern drawing, not an archeological piece.

The only reference quoted in this Wikipedia article is the book by Hale, Susan (1891) which is trying to equate Aztlan with Atlantis. Note she doesn't provide any source to her claims:

Atlantis, according to the story, perished in a terrible convulsion of nature, in which the whole island sank into the ocean with nearly all its inhabitants. Only a few persons escaped in ships and rafts to lands east and west of the catastrophe. Each of these separate survivors became, in the legend of his descendants, the solitary Noah or Coxcox of a tradition representing the destruction of an entire world. The Nahuatl legend helps out the theory of Atlantis to willing minds. The Noah of the Mexican tribes was Coxcox, who, with his wife Xochiquetzal, alone escaped the deluge. They took refuge in the hollow trunk of a cypress (ahuehuete), which floated upon the water, and stopped at last on top of a mountain of Culhuacan. They had many children, but all of them were dumb. The great spirit took pity on them, and sent a dove, who hastened to teach them to speak. Fifteen of the children succeeded in grasping the power of speech, and from these the Toltecs and Aztecs are descended.

Hale, Susan. The Story of the Nations: Mexico . Kindle Edition. 98.238.212.144 (talk) 18:55, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I just looked at the Susan Hale book [1] and confirm that it's 19th Century Fringe nonsense about Noah, Atlantis, and lost civilizations. Geogene (talk) 20:28, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not impressed with using von Humboldt as a source, either, because of WP:SOURCEAGE I also note this mention in Strong [2] makes it seem likely that some old sources may have had religious motives to take this alleged Aztec myth out of context. This source [3] is good for the claim that the Aztecs had a flood myth, but this version sounds much less like the Genesis version, with the flood survivors being turned into dogs for breaking some taboo. It doesn't link the flood to Coxcox. Geogene (talk) 20:57, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]