Talk:Counties (Detached Parts) Act 1844

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What about 1839?

There appears to also have been a Counties (Detached Parts) Act, 1839. Does anyone know anything about this? Silverhelm 00:58, 11 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

2&3 Vict. c.82. an Act for the better administration of Justice in detached Parts of counties. This made it lawful for the justice of the peace of a county to act for a detached part of a county surrounded by it. It was already in the article, but with the wrong short title. (theses titles don't appear in the original booksd of acts). I shall correct the article forthwith. Lozleader 12:03, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers. It's nice to know someone cares about the little details! Silverhelm 15:59, 11 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Incidentally there was a Detached Parts of Counties (England) Act 1858 as well. This one allowed detached parts of counties to be transferred for constabulary purposes.Lozleader 21:01, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Opposition Bill?

From scanning the Times archives, it appears that this was not a government measure. At the time there was a Conservative ministry led by Peel. The bill was introduced to the Commons by two Liberal MPs: Robert Wellbeloved Scott (Walsall) and Joseph Brotherton (Salford) on March 29, with detached parts to henceforth be "incorporated with, and form part of the county by which it is .. surrounded". There was apparently some controversy:on June 12 John Barneby, Conservative member for Droitwich stated that there had been great opposition to it "in the country" while his party colleague Thomas Estcourt, member for Marlborough considered the bill "so peculiar" that it should be referred to a select committee, which was done. The committee was appointed on June 14 and the bill was reported on July 11. Whatever controversy there was had been addressed, as it received a second reading on July 18 without any objections, and the royal assent on July 29. Lozleader 12:45, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Monks House

The Act involved as one of the transfers from Durham to Northumberland:

"Islandshire (consisting of the chapelry of Ancroft, part of the parish of Belford, the township of Holy Island, the chapelry of Kyloe, the extra-parochial place of Monks House and the chapelry of Tweedmouth) transferred to Northumberland"

Monk's House appears to be just outside Lewes in East Sussex, the opposite end of England and so exceedingly unlikely to be the right subject. I'm about to change the link to Monks House, Northumberland but that's a red link and may not be the best title. Please revert and clarify if I'm wrong. Thryduulf (talk) 01:53, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Monks House is a homestead in Bamburgh, on the road to North Sunderland. The 1860 OS has it as an extra-parochial area of 0.6 acres, and the "Historic County Boundaries Project" notes it as a very small exclave of County Durham. Not sure if it deserves its own Wikipedia page.Shubimperatrix (talk) 17:40, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reform Act 1832

"the Reform Act 1832 had abolished the outliers for parliamentary constituencies"

I don't think so. It was the Parliamentary Boundaries Act 1832, passed in conjunction, as stated later in this article. Here's the text of the Reform Act 1832 if you want to search for proof one way or the other. jnestorius^(talk) 13:42, 25 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Problems with accuracy

I've started checking the background of some of the entries in the list, and I am finding some inaccuracies. The list seems to be based on a schedule provided for the Parliamentary Boundaries Act 1832 based on a survey by Thomas Drummond. This is obvious from a mistake that he made which was reproduced in the Wikipedia text, asserting that the exclave in Bedfordshire belonged to Studham parish when it was actually part of Whipsnade parish (I have corrected this already). There are other errors flagging up -Stratton Audley in Oxfordshire was not subject to the Act, for example. Many of the entries in the list relate to the unification of parishes previously divided by county boundaries, rather than to exclaves, and so far I have spotted one that was only rectified in 1895 -Shalbourne in Berkshire, which is not on the 1832 schedule. How sure are we that the list actually relates to the 1844 act, and not to actions taken under later legislation?Shubimperatrix (talk) 17:58, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

there was another error between Cornwall and Devon, the "Cornish Patch" of 100 acres was the eastern terminus of the medieval ferry across the river Tamar. It was in the Devon parish of St Budeaux, but the 1832 schedule incorrectly places it in St Stephens by Saltash. This was only corrected in 1896. Bodrugan (talk) 10:44, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

in fact, the 1896 order may not have actually corrected the error, so does this mean that it is still technically part of Cornwall? Bodrugan (talk) 10:53, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Stratton Audley

This has an entry under Buckinghamshire: "The part of the chapelry of Stratton Audley (in the parish of Bicester) in Buckinghamshire transferred to Oxfordshire." The immediate problem with this is that Stratton Audley was detached from the parish of Bicester in 1454 and became a parish in its own right, not a chapelry. The UK BMD website has this note in its "Bicester Registration District" page: "On 20.10.1844 the Buckinghamshire part of the chapelry of Stratton Audley was transferred to Oxfordshire, so that thereafter Stratton Audley was wholly in Oxfordshire." I think that both of these are garbled references to the exclave of Caversfield which occupied half of Stratton Audley village, but welcome thoughts or a better citation. Before 1770, Stratton Audley parish was open-field and about 220 acres of its field-strips belonged to Caversfield and hence to Buckinghamshire. These were consolidated at Enclosure into a 220 acre detached portion of Caversfield, to the south of the village. So, "Chapelry of Stratton Audley" = "Detached portions of Caversfield parish"??Shubimperatrix (talk) 11:26, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Local Government Act 1972

This act "returned the historic counties of England and Wales to their pre-1844 boundaries.". This surely has to be wrong. It introduce counties like Hereford & Worcester, and Avon, Humberside etc. And in Wales Dyfed and Gwynedd etc. 82.45.172.71 (talk) 18:13, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, and now deleted. Just because the 1844 Act was repealed doesn't mean everything pinged back to as it has previously been - you have to look at what was put in place instead. I've now managed to check the source that was attached to that claim and it only mentions boundary changes in passing without even mentioning the 1844 Act - it certainly doesn't substantiate the claim that the historic counties reverted to pre-1844 boundaries. Stortford (talk) 20:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]