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Why “(TV series)”?

Why does the plain title redirect to here? If there’s nothing else with this title, shouldn’t there not be a disambiguating phrase?--Duroq145 (talk) 19:14, 26 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 5 May 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Consensus to disambiguate Council of Dads b uidhe 22:36, 15 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Council of Dads (TV series) → Council of Dads – As already pointed out by the above February 26 comment, Talk:Council of Dads (TV series)#Why “(TV series)”?, there is no other Wikipedia main header with that exact title (the book's title is The Council of Dads) and Council of Dads already redirects to Council of Dads (TV series). A similarly-themed nomination regarding the degree of differentiation accorded to WP:THE is also active at Talk:The Salt of the Earth (2014 film). — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 19:27, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, but move book to The Council of Dads (book) - "The" is not often enough to make a clear distinction on its own, especially when some other places list books as "Council of Dads, The" and some sources about the book omit "The" ("Feiler wrote Council of Dads", "Feiler's book Council of Dads", "Inspired by Bruce Feiler’s same-named book, 'Council of Dads'"). I think there is a lot of value in disambiguating both to ensure editors, during an early flurry of writing, will be very careful about which they are linking to, so create a short DAB at Council of Dads. As the TV series has just started airing, it currently has an understandable spike in page views, but we really can't say for certain what the long-term primary topic will be. Ensuring the internal linking is clear will give us a better view in the future. -- Netoholic @ 09:33, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, and move book to The Council of Dads (book) per Netholic In ictu oculi (talk) 21:20, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment if consensus skews towards conversion of a redirect into a two-entry disambiguation page containing The Council of Dads (book) along with Council of Dads (TV series), I would also support such an outcome, with either Council of Dads or The Council of Dads as the dab page's main title header and the other variant serving as a redirect to the dab page. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 23:31, 6 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I proposed putting the DAB at Council of Dads as RS tend to remove the "The" from the book title but not add "The" to the TV series. For this reason I'd also just leave The Council of Dads redirecting to the book for the time being. -- Netoholic @ 01:55, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If The Council of Dads becomes a redirect to The Council of Dads (book), instead of to the proposed Council of Dads disambiguation page, then the parenthetical qualifier "(book)" would be rendered unnecessary, along with any need for a dab page, and the book should simply remain as The Council of Dads. The only needed revision would then be for Council of Dads, which currently redirects to Council of Dads (TV series), to redirect instead to the book where a hatnote would advise users that "For the TV series, see Council of Dads (TV series)".

If consensus establishes instead that the TV series has become more prominent than the book, then the main header for the TV series would be Council of Dads with The Council of Dads redirecting to the TV series and a hatnote atop the TV series advising users that "For the book, see The Council of Dads (book)". I would also support either of those alternatives, depending upon consensus. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 05:52, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.