Talk:Coronations in Oceania

Coronations in Oceania?

Obviously someone would be intelligent enough to look up what types of coronation occurred in "Oceania", a new term that is being used mainly by the US? So you created a page just to make it, or yourself feel worthy? I can understand Polynesia, which is probably more accurate, but seriously, is this page really necessary? I vote to remove it! Mamoahina (talk) 05:47, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia has guidelines of course for renaming articles and (though I think it should be retained) deleting them. I don't have a view on the 'Oceania versus Polynesia versus Other' part of the title.

This article, as the note at its head says, forms part of a series under the umbrella Coronation article. Indeed, it was created by extracting the info. from that article, when the latter was pruned (made into sub-articles) to render its size more manageable. The master article now of course has links to each sub-article - see Coronation#In the modern era. This sub-article to me seems well researched and backed up with reliable sources. For those interested in (or researching) coronations, I would argue against its deletion.

Trafford09 (talk) 07:52, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I have no need to create articles just to "make them," or to "feel worthy." The term "Oceania" is not "new," having been in use since 1812 (and generally understood around the world today); and since there were three nations in this part of the world that held (or in one case, still hold) coronations, I felt they should be grouped under this heading, rather than being put into the Coronations in Asia article. There is not one good reason given here to delete, or to rename, this article; hence, I vote to keep it. - Ecjmartin (talk) 20:01, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

@Mamoahina Sorry this is the English wikipedia. We use English. Oceania is the English dictionary, therefore this article is legit. Seem somebody would be intelligent enough to understand that these people are following a western custom of annointing their leaders, introduced by English, Americans and other Europeans. There is no reason to remove this article. Plus I have other coronations I'd like to add from other islands.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 21:42, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Rarotonga

I added coronation/annointment ceremonies of the Niuean and Rarontongan monarchs. Although I am not sure about Rarotonga's history. I don't even know what the article Kingdom of Rarotonga is for; it doesn't have any real info in it. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:43, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Samoa

This sections need some work also.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:09, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Did a little work on it; let me know what you think. - Ecjmartin (talk) 13:11, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Tonga

There was a throne in Tonga since at leas the reign of George Tupou II. Was he or his daughter Sālote Tupou III ever crowned?--KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:00, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I honestly don't know about II or III, though I do know that George Topou IV was; I have the photos saved to my computer, though I've lost the webpage reference for them. If I can find them, I'll put a link to them on this page; maybe someone else knows where they are? - Ecjmartin (talk) 01:27, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I think you mean Tāufaʻāhau Tupou IV. There was never a George Tupou IV. The thing is there was already a throne and probably a crown before Tāufaʻāhau Tupou IV, so his two predeccessor could've been crowned.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 10:27, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Just found out they were.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 10:38, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I can't find where to squeeze in the fact the George Tupou II and Sālote Tupou III had coronations in 17 March 1893 and 11 October 1918, respectively. Can you find a place to place this? Not sure about the details of these two coronations.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 10:40, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I just put it in at the end of that last paragraph. George Tupou II's immediate successor was Salote Tupou III, so this paragraph about George's throne leads naturally into the info about his and Salote's coronations. Let me know what you think! Sorry about the "George Topou IV" thing; I knew that, but was so damn tired when I was writing that, that I just forgot. Thanks for reminding me! - Ecjmartin (talk) 11:31, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

It seems out of order. We switvh from talking about coronations in 1967 and 2008, to ones in ancient time, and then others in 1893 and 1918. It just might be a little confusing for readers. Don't you think?--KAVEBEAR (talk) 11:55, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

You're right. Try this out... - Ecjmartin (talk) 12:07, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Nice, it looks better now.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:39, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! And thanks again for all your contributions to this article--they're really nice!! - Ecjmartin (talk) 11:09, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Wallis and Futuna

It seems there are three traditional chiefdoms/kingdoms that exist in the French overseas territory of Wallis and Futuna. Uvea and Alo crowned it's ruler but I am not sure about Sigave.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 19:12, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Raiatea

It seems there were some minor Tahitian kingdoms that had coronations. Like Tamatoa-a-tu (Tamatoa V) king of Ra'iatea and Taha'a who was crowned in 1860.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 20:06, 1 July 2011 (UTC)