Talk:Cordon bleu (dish)

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Origins

"Chicken Cordon Bleu is a relatively recent American creation". Where's the substantiation for that? The earliest date mentioned is 1955, though the German page has references to what I consider the original Swiss veal cordon bleu (not mentioned here) going back to 1949. The French page, while very limited, refers to the veal as being the original and the chicken cordon bleu coming from Romania.

It seems that there's no evidence for the claim of American descent. I propose that it be removed, and that the name be changed to removed the term "chicken". Groogle (talk) 00:26, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think the same as User Groogle and tried to do this move, but the necessary speedy deletion of the article Cordon Bleu wasn't accepted by the administrator because there was "no discussion" - well u wrote that months ago but thats obv. not enough... --Fundriver (talk) 10:27, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't delete that page to complete the move that was started because I do not believe that this or anything is the primary topic of Cordon Bleu. I could be wrong but that is why we have discussions that involve more than one or two people. When a move like this is contested the way to initiate the formal move discussion is explained at Wikipedia:Requested moves. GB fan 15:04, 23 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Favonian (talk) 16:31, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cordon bleu (dish) → Cordon bleu – Currently, cordon bleu redirects to the disambiguation page Cordon Bleu. However, not one item on that list is commonly written as two separate uncapitalized words... except for the food dish I'm proposing to move. The capitalization is easily enough to WP:NATURALly distinguish the dish as primary topic for the lowercase form. (See WP:DIFFCAPS, which is policy.) In almost completely unrelated news, I'm hungry. Red Slash 14:08, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - the cordon bleu (blue ribbon) itself is written with no caps. As for the American dish (Veal) Cordon Bleu it is also sometimes written with caps. And this article is a mess anyway. ---Cordon Bleu for Veal Cordon Bleu is quite uncommon. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:40, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Food items are almost invariably in lowercase across Wikipedia. I'm unsure what you're saying about "the cordon bleu itself"--you mean blue ribbon? There's not even a link to that from the Cordon Bleu disambiguation page. Lol at "this article is a mess anyway". Probably is. I think we can have articles at the right titles anyway even if they're a work in progress. Red Slash 15:04, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Cordon bleu (Ignoring capitalization) does not strictly relate to the dish. In particular Le Cordon Bleu (hospitality association) seems to throw some ambiguity to the situation.--Labattblueboy (talk) 19:56, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose "Le Cordon Bleu" would naturally be spelled as "le Cordon bleu" or "Cordon bleu" -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 00:21, 25 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose since Le Cordon Bleu is frequently written as "cordon bleu" and is still the primary meaning even as a redirect. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:30, 27 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Halal

Do we need this section here? The article clearly states that the dish contains pork. Any halal modification cannot therefore be considered chicken cordon bleu. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.55.186.221 (talk) 03:19, 5 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]