Talk:Coosa River

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Coosa Basin rainfall

The article currently has a paragraph regarding precipitation in the Coosa River basin: The Coosa River Basin is one of the rainiest places in the US, with the average precipitation rate ranging from 52 to 64 inches per year. Except for parts of Hawaii, only two areas in the northwest states of Washington and Oregon get more rain than the Coosa River Basin.

I seriously question this assertion about the Coosa River. The Little Tennessee River in Tennessee and southwestern North Carolina drains the temperate rain forest area that's south and east of the Great Smoky Mountains. Outside this area, rainfall averages should be similar to the 52 to 64 inches cited above. Within that area, annual rainfall can be as high as 80 to 100 inches. See these links:

--A. B. 03:58, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The entire article is currently lacking sources and citations, so I've added the "unreferenced" template. -- Malepheasant 04:31, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Navigation on the Coosa

The article presently states: "Although the idea of using the Coosa as a navigational waterway into the interior of northeastern Alabama never materialized ..." In fact, the Coosa was used as an important waterway all the way to Rome, Georgia during the days of riverboats. Rome was an important cotton shipping port; you can still see the remains of the now unusable navigation lock outside town.--A. B. 17:22, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

New map

I replaced the map, I hope no one minds. The old one (copied below) only showed the Georgia portion of the Coosa basin/watershed, but most of the river is in Alabama.Pfly 23:39, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Potential Conflict of Interest Mike Cline

I own a home and live directly on the Coosa River. I have a vested interest in the health and popularity of the waterway I live on and its communities. I have contributed money the local and regional non-profits that promote and protect the Coosa-Tallapoosa-Alabama River watershed and its communities. Please evaluate any contributions I make for NPOV in light of the above.--Mike Cline 10:38, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Flora and Fauna Bio-Diversity Highlights

First Table Rewrite

[Table Removed]

I like it, except that the chart format takes up lots of space, at least in the browser window size I'm using. Lots of empty space in some of the cells. Could it be done in prose? Pfly 17:32, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pfly, I agree, I think I will eventually transpose the Columns Headers into Rows Headers so that there are only two or three at the most columns.--Mike Cline 17:39, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removed First Table Rewrite - didn't work well--Mike Cline 21:28, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Transposed Table Rewrite

This is what a transposed table might look like. I think I can fill-in the blanks once I get some more references lined-up.--Mike Cline 17:55, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In the Middle Coosa River Watershed, 281 occurrences of rare plant and animal species and natural communities have been documented, including 73 occurrences of 23 species that are federal or state protected. Ten conservation targets were chosen: the riverine system, matrix forest communities (oakhickory- pine forest), gray bat (Myotis grisescens), riparian vegetation, mountain longleaf pine (Pinus palustris) forest communities, red-cockaded woodpecker (Picoides borealis), critically imperiled aquatic species (fish, mussels, and snails), southern hognose snake (Heterodon simus), caddisflies, and imperiled plants. Maintaining the biodiversity of the Coosa River system is particularly important because it has already lost a significant portion of its aquatic fauna to extinction.^[1]--Mike Cline 20:53, 14 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category	Summary	Details (S)=State Status (F)=Federal Status
Aquatic gastropods (snails)	82 species. According to research, 26 of the historically known 82 species of aquatic gastropods living in the Coosa River Basin, are now considered extinct! In 2004, Alabama Department of Conservation and Natural Resources researchers discovered two, previously thought to be extinct, snails--The Coosa Elimia and The Teardrop Elmina--in a stretch of the Coosa River below Lake Neely Henry^[2]	Endangered, Threatened, and Rare Species
Amphibians	37 species of amphibians exist in the Coosa River Basin. (9 of the 37 species are considered of "Special Concern" by the Georgia Natural Heritage Program)	Endangered, Threatened, and Rare Species Rare Amphibians: Green Salamander is "rare" in Georgia (S)
Fish	87 species representing 17 families (13 of the fish species have been listed for protection by Federal or State agencies as endangered, threatened, or rare.) The freshwater sturgeon, a threatened species and once prevalent in the Coosa River system until the 1960s, is being re-introduced by the Georgia Department of Natural Resources. ^[3] The Alabama Sturgeon, a former resident of the Coosa River below the fall line was placed on the endangered species list in September 2000^[4]	Endangered, Threatened, Rare and Invasive Species Endangered Fish: Blue Shiner (S), Frecklebelly Madtom(S), Freckled Madtom(S), Amber Darter(SF), Conasauga Logperch(SF), Freckled Darter (S), Etowah Darter (F) Threatened Fish: Bluestripe Shiner(S), Holiday (Ellijay) Darter(S), Coldwater Darter(S), Etowah Darter(S), Cherokee Darter(SF), Trispot Darter(S), Goldline Darter(SF), Blue Shiner (F) Rare Fish: Bigeye Chub (S), River Redhorse (S)
Mussels	Freshwater Mussels serve as natural filtration systems that help keep the water clean and clear. Georgia has 98 species of mussels laying its claim to the most diverse mussel fauna of the 50 states. Eleven species of these mussels native to the Coosa basin are currently listed or proposed for listing as endangered or threatened. 13 species are now extinct! Alabama has one of the richest and most diverse assemblages of mussels in the world with about 180 species. Approximately two-thirds of North American mussel species have been reported from Alabama.^[5]	Endangered, Threatened, and Rare Species
Plants	The upper Coosa watershed in northeastern Alabama and north Georgia is home to the majority of the remaining clumps of the endangered Green Pitcherplant^[6].	Endangered, Threatened, and Rare Species Endangered Plants: Green Pitcherplant (SF) Threatened Plants: Coosa Barbara Buttons (SF), Monkeyface Orchid (S), Little River Water-Plantain (S) Rare Plants: Fraser Loosestrife (S)
Birds and Mammals	The Bald Eagle, once an endangered species now has nesting populations on and in the vicinity of Coosa River impoundments^[7] The largest concentration of clusters in Alabama of the Red-cockaded Woodpecker, an endangered species, occurs on lands adjacent to Lake Mitchell under the stewardship of Alabama Power.^[8]	Endangered, Threatened, and Rare Species Endangered Species: Red-cockaded woodpecker (F) Threatened Species: Bald Eagle (F)

--Mike Cline 17:55, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Removed Biology Section

^[9] Aquatic gastropods (snails): 82 species. According to research, 26 of the historically known 82 species of aquatic gastropods living in the Coosa River Basin, are now considered extinct!

Fish: 87 species representing 17 families (13 of the fish species have been listed for protection by Federal or State agencies as endangered, threatened, or rare.)

Endangered fish species of the Coosa River Basin (State Status): Blue Shiner, Frecklebelly Madtom, Freckled Madtom, Amber Darter, Conasauga Logperch, Freckled Darter

Endangered fish species of the Coosa River Basin (Federal Status): Etowah Darter, Amber Darter, Conasauga Logperch

Threatened fish species of the Coosa River Basin (State Status): Bluestripe Shiner, Holiday (Ellijay) Darter, Coldwater Darter, Etowah Darter, Cherokee Darter, Trispot Darter, Goldline Darter

Threatened fish species of the Coosa River Basin (Federal Status): Blue Shiner, Cherokee Darter, Goldline Darter

Rare fish species of the Coosa River Basin: Bigeye Chub, River Redhorse

Amphibian Species: 37 species of amphibians exist in the Coosa River Basin. (9 of the 37 species are considered of "Special Concern" by the Georgia Natural Heritage Program)

The green salamander is listed and protected as "rare" in Georgia.

Mussels: Freshwater Mussels serve as natural filtration systems that help keep the water clean and clear. Georgia has 98 species of mussels laying its claim to the most diverse mussel fauna of the 50 states. Eleven species of these mussels native to the Coosa basin are currently listed or proposed for listing as endangered or threatened. 13 species are now extinct!

Endangered plant species of the Coosa River Basin (State Status): Green Pitcherplant

Endangered plant species of the Coosa River Basin (Federal Status): Green Pitcherplant

Threatened plant species of the Coosa River Basin (State Status): Coosa Barbara Buttons, Monkeyface Orchid, Little River Water-Plantain

Threatened plant species of the Coosa River Basin (Federal Status): Coosa Barbara Buttons, Little River Water-Plantain

Rare plant species of the Coosa River Basin (State Status): Fraser Loosestrife

Above Removed and Replaced with Flora and Fauna Bio-Diversity Highlights Table

--Mike Cline 15:12, 18 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed History Section Rewrite With References

The following is the start on rewriting the History Section with referenced content.

Historical Highlights of the Coosa River Basin

Native American tribes populated the Coosa River Basin and other Georgia and Alabama river basins for centuries before the Spanish explorer Hernando de Soto and his army entered the Coosa area in the early 1500s. Some estimates put the number of Native Americans in the Southeast at about 1 million at the time of de Soto's invasion. Within 20 years, after battles and the introduction of European infectious diseases, particularly Smallpox, the population of Native Americans in the South East began a rapid decline. By the eve of the American Revolution, the population numbered less than 100,000.^[10]

--Mike Cline 13:04, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As the coastal southeast became settled in the 1600s, European traders from the Gulf Coast and Carolinas made their way into the Coosa Basin looking for labor. The tribes willingly warred with neighboring tribes, killing the men and enslaving women and children to sell to the Europeans for modern goods--guns, cloth, metal goods, etc. This made the natives even more vulnerable and dependent on the Europeans as they began to take over the territory.^[11]

--Mike Cline 20:23, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

^ Alabama Non-Point Source Newsletter, Spring 2004
^ Mobile River Basin Coalition
^ Reintroduction of Lake Sturgeon
^ Nature Reserve - Alabama Sturgeon
^ Freshwater Mussels In Alabama
^ NatureServe Data on Green Pitcherplant
^ Joint Alabama Power-US Fish and Wildlife Service Coosa Biological Assessment (July 2005).
^ Joint Alabama Power-US Fish and Wildlife Service Coosa Biological Assessment (July 2005).
^ Rivers of Alabama Species Diversity
^ Jackson, Harvey H. III (1995). Rivers of History - Life on the Coosa, Tallapoosa, Cahaba and Alabama. Tuscaloosa, Alabama: The University of Alabama Press. pp. 8–12. ISBN 0817307710.
^ Jackson, Harvey H. III (1995). Rivers of History - Life on the Coosa, Tallapoosa, Cahaba and Alabama. Tuscaloosa, Alabama: The University of Alabama Press. p. 13. ISBN 0817307710.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mike Cline (talk • contribs) 19:05, 13 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Consistent Use of term Tributary in Wikipedia

What is and What is not a tributary of a larger river or body of water? If there is no DIRECT connection between the so-called tributary and its parent water, is it a tributary? What I am looking for here is some consistent application of the term to articles on rivers and lakes within Wikipedia.

I personally believe that unless there is a DIRECT connection between the two named waters at a confluence, the lesser water should not be listed as a tributary of the greater water. For example: I would contend that the Firehole River in Wyoming is not a tributary of the Missouri River, but instead a tributary of the Madison River. If this logic is not applied, then articles about very large or significant waters might literally contain 1000's of tributary references. For example, if I were to include Rocky Creek as tributary of the Mississippi River, I would not be totally incorrect as it does flow into the E. Gallatin River, Gallatin River, Missouri River into the Mississippi.

I have posted this on the Tributary and Confluence talk pages as well. If there is a better place to post, let me know?

--Mike Cline 14:37, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edits by 71.33.101.85

Although the following statement added by 71.33.101.85 may have some validity: De Soto enslaved the Cherokee's and stole our food and natural resources as they raped the valley (present-day Alabama and Georgia), it clearly not written in an NPOV manner. Nor is it clear that it can be properly referenced as no reference was given. --Mike Cline 20:50, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] Alabama Non-Point Source Newsletter, Spring 2004

[2] Mobile River Basin Coalition

[3] Reintroduction of Lake Sturgeon

[4] Nature Reserve - Alabama Sturgeon

[5] Freshwater Mussels In Alabama

[6] NatureServe Data on Green Pitcherplant

[7] Joint Alabama Power-US Fish and Wildlife Service Coosa Biological Assessment (July 2005).

[8] Joint Alabama Power-US Fish and Wildlife Service Coosa Biological Assessment (July 2005).

[9] Rivers of Alabama Species Diversity

[10] Jackson, Harvey H. III (1995). Rivers of History - Life on the Coosa, Tallapoosa, Cahaba and Alabama. Tuscaloosa, Alabama: The University of Alabama Press. pp. 8–12. ISBN 0817307710.

[11] Jackson, Harvey H. III (1995). Rivers of History - Life on the Coosa, Tallapoosa, Cahaba and Alabama. Tuscaloosa, Alabama: The University of Alabama Press. p. 13. ISBN 0817307710.

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