Talk:Coon 2: Hindsight

The Mist reference

The whole opening another dimension thing was highly reminiscent of the plot of Stephen King's novella The Mist. The creatures were very similar. Maybe a cultural reference?

Also, the double penetration gimmick was fairly obvious; perhaps it ought to be clarified in the article as well. (Not really a "cultural reference" though.) Epn10 (talk) 04:07, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Actually it was a Lovecraft reference, including Cthulu. I believe The Mist was based on Lovecraft's horror as well. Rifter0x0000 (talk) 10:38, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

this was most likely based on The Mist, as most south park references have to do with movies not books... I dont think we know for sure, so It is worth mentioning The Mist, not just Lovecrafts book. imo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.75.139.28 (talk) 18:46, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Characters speculation

Is Kenny Mysterion?

All the children seem to be easily identifiable:
Toolshed: Stan
Iron Maiden: Timmy
Tupperware: Token
Human Kite: Clyde
Mintberry Crunch: Bradley
Mosquito: Kyle

This only leaves Mysterion, and Kenny is the only one who is not identified.

--MosheA (talk) 03:46, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

• I agree with this, and I believe it is what we are intended to piece together. However, there is no conclusive evidence. They could even go so far as to make Iron Maiden someone other than Timmy, if they really wanted to mess with people's heads. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drpvfx (talk • contribs) 17:46, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

• Craig has not been identified, and he sounded just like the Mosquito. Also The fact that Cartman called The Human kite the Human Kyke leads it to be Kyle. There is no reason to assume Clyde is even in the group. Also, Mysterion wears a parka just like Kenny. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nightwing040 (talk • contribs) 13:49, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

• Nightwing, I believe you are confusing Craig with Clyde. Craig wears the peruvian-style hat, while Clyde wears no hat. Clyde is shown with the unmasked group towards the end. Craig was not. Also, there is no proof Cartman says "Human Kyke"- I rewound that line half a dozen times, and it's impossible to be certain without an official script. Drpvfx (talk) 16:29, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Mintberry Crunch is Bradley. http://southpark.wikia.com/wiki/Bradley

It is still not confirmed who the Mosquito, the Human Kite or Mysterion were. But they can only be Kenny, Clyde and Kyle. - Bella —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.183.11.170 (talk) 03:51, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

The original episode, "The Coon", rounded the suspects down to Craig, Kenny, Stan, Clyde, and Wendy (Stan obviously written off in this episode). But if you look at the season 14 title screen, you can clearly see Mysterion, Kenny, Stan, and Wendy in the same place at the same time. Meaning Mysterion has to be Clyde or Craig. Craig called Kyle, Cartman, Kenny, and Stan stupid multiple times in "Pandemic", were as Mysterion told Kyle he was the smartest kid in the class. Meaning it must be Clyde. Grapesoda22 (talk) 04:10, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Mintberry Crunch has a different hair style than Bradley, so it might be just fake hair. It would be best to edit the article and remove this "guess". I believe Mysterion is Bradley, because is a rather unknown character but has been present for some years now in the background... but fact is: we just don't know. 88.68.41.148 (talk) 13:30, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Human Kite sure sounds like Kyle. 67.241.25.231 (talk) 14:59, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Mintberry Crunch's hair is identical to Kenny's. Cartman even remarks how he's glad that he's paying his fees on time, which would make sense, since he's poor.TheFBH (talk) 15:27, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Mintberry Crunch's hair is identical to Bradley's, not Kenny's. Kenny's hair (as of Pee) is much messier. LoveWaffle (talk) 15:46, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

His hair is not identical to either of the two. Additionally, Clyde is voiced by Trey Parker and Matt Stone voices Mysterion while all the others have the same voices both normally and as their superhero personas. -- Wikipedian3 (talk) 16:04, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Isn't almost everything you guys write here original research? See WP:OR. --82.171.70.54 (talk) 17:12, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Mintberry Crunch must be Kenny because, as usual, he's drinking water while the others are having milkshakes. Also, don't forget that Clyde was the only one sleeping in class in The Coon. Piergiorgio Massari (talk) 17:21, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Mysteron is Clyde. This shouldn't even be up for discussion. In the original Coon episode, all the clues were there (such as Clyde was falling asleep in class, and outside Mackey's office). He's clearly Clyde in this episode as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by John Finnan (talk • contribs) 10:00, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Mintberry Crunch is more likely to be Bradley than Kenny, especially considering the voice. Mosquito is most likely Kyle both because the voice sounds like his with a pinched nose, his mannerisms (from the insistence on helping people / doing good as first priority down to the coupon), and - well, the fact that Cartmen went for him first. Yes, Cartmen's never beat him before - but usually he has reason to expect it, and on this occasion, had no way to see it coming. Human Kite seems more likely to be Kenny due to the altered voice; we never hear Kenny's real voice, after all 98.227.254.26 (talk) 23:41, 2 November 2010 (UTC) -R.S.Whisper

I think KENNY IS THE BERRY CRUNCH GUY

South park continuously has shown in many episodes

whenever the guys hang around at a restaurant and order drinks.....they all order sundaes and milkhshakes but kenny only orders a glass of WATER

In this episode the crunch guy has a glass of water when they all are seated in the restaurant, after the coon attacks the mosquito

The south park guys have never revealed kenny's face and since the crunch character only shows half his face and matches kenny's blond hair......i think that is kenny!!!!

in the above discussion its mentioned.....that since the coon alarm goes off and in the next scene the human kite walks into Cartman's basement....IS WRONG Unlike Stan's case here 4 of the guys enter in hence to draw to any conclusions is not right! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.177.247.64 (talk) 15:18, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

The Human Kite is the first one to walk in and the only one that is focused on. The Human Kite's position in that seen is identical to that of Toolshed's in the previous scene. LoveWaffle (talk) 15:46, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

That's still no "confirmation" that Kenny is the Human Kite, like you put it. Maybe it's like that to throw us off, maybe not.TheFBH (talk) 16:09, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't think Kenny is Mint Berry Crunch...I'm sorry but his hair does NOT match Kenny's. Kenny's always shown with spikey darker blonde hair then this guy. I still think MBC is Bradley, the only other blonde in the group. And I was also sure Human Kite was Kyle since his voice sounded more like him. Damn it M&T stop messing with is!! Muttzilla —Preceding undated comment added 19:10, 28 October 2010 (UTC).

Secret Identities

A few were obvious

• We already knew that Cartman was the Coon.

• Stan, Timmy, and Token's respective alter-egos as Toolshed, Tupperware, and Iron Maiden were made obvious during the episode

• Bradley's appearance in the final scene of the episode confirmed him to be Mint Berry Crunch due to their similar hairstyles, despite the initial impression that he was Kenny

That leaves Kenny, Kyle, and Clyde without alter egos, and Mysterion, Mosquito, and the Human Kite without secret identities

• • Consider the scene where the Coon Alarm goes off in Kenny's house. The alarm goes off, disturbing his family. Kenny then slinks into the back, and the scene cuts to the Human Kite in front of a group of the Friends going down the stairs into Cartman's basement. This mirrors an earlier scene in the episode. The Coon Alarm goes off in Stan's House -> Stan's family is confused -> Stan uses the confusion to slink into the back -> scene cuts to Toolshed walking down the stairs into Cartman's basement. Although Toolshed was alone entering the basement, the Human Kite was the only one focused on in the later scene. For this reason, I believe Kenny is the Human Kite. Also note that the Human Kite wears a hood that covers most of his head like the hood on Kenny's parka (although the Human Kite's face isn't covered).

• That leaves Kyle and Clyde without superhero alter-egos. We already know that Kyle cannot be Mysterion because of the events of The Coon. By process of elimination, Clyde is Mysterion.

• That leaves Kyle as Mosquito. There are other reasons to believe this other than process of elimination.

• The antagonistic relationship between Mosquito and the Coon is very similar to that of Kyle and Cartman. Consider this:

• Typical episode - Cartman comes up with an overly-complex, ridiculous idea -> Kyle tells Cartman how stupid his idea is and comes up with a better idea -> everyone agrees with Kyle's idea and no one else goes along with Cartman's idea, except for Butters -> Cartman does his ridiculous idea anyway
• Coon 2: Hindsight - The Coon came up with a ridiculous plot to blackmail Captain Hindsight by taking naked pictures of Butters with a homeless man, photoshop Captain Hindsight's head over the homeless guy's, and say he had naked pictures of him with Courtney Love -> Mosquito tells the Coon how stupid an idea that is and proposes raising money to give to victims of the oil spill by having a bake sale -> everyone likes Mosquito's idea better, leading to the Coon attacking Mosquito on the way to the grocery store -> The Coon takes the pictures of Butters with the homeless guy anyway.

• It's also worth noting that Mosquito's costume contains a Jewish stereotype, with the Vuvuzela on his face in place of the stereotypical long Jewish nose.

• • Another stereotype that points to Kyle being the Mosquito is that misquitos and gingers both suck blood!

• Additionally, Human Kite has very few spoken lines, which is congruent with Kenny. This could, of course, be intentionally misleading. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drpvfx (talk • contribs) 17:26, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

• • It's worth considering that a "human kite" sounds like a recipe for disaster that could lead to him flying somewhere to his death, which points to Kenny.

Seems unlikely that Cartman could beat up Kyle, suggesting he's not Mosquito.

• While Cartman has lost many fights to Kyle in the past, he never relied on utter surprise or weapons before. It's not inconceivable these factors would allow him to beat Kyle for once. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drpvfx (talk • contribs) 17:29, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
  • BS, Cartman could never beat up Kyle, and also Craig obviously is Mosquito 178.191.79.23 (talk) 20:58, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
    • If it's so obvious, provide a reference. It's also not very polite to come here anonymously and attempt to start arguments.Drpvfx (talk) 21:48, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

LoveWaffle (talk) 16:24, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Crunch's hair is not identical to Bradley's. Bradley's hair is very neat and completely blonde, with no brown lines in it at all. Crunch's hair has noticeable brown lines in it (like Kenny's) and it's much scruffier (admittedly not as scruffy as Kenny's has been in the past) than Bradley's. The water and fee parts mentioned above also makes it seem like Cruch is Kenny. The fact that Kite is the first to come through the door after the alert is a pretty slim hint to base a whole argument on.TheFBH (talk) 16:35, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

1. Cartman never said he was surprised that Mint Berry Crunch pays his dues. He said he RESPECTS that fact when he talks to MBC at the beginning of the episode. Also, Human Kite being the first to enter the door wasn't the argument, the fact that his entrance is almost identical to Toolshed's was. The fact that Toolshed was alone and Human Kite was with a group is irrelevant. LoveWaffle (talk) 17:30, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

• It's made quite clear towards the end that Kyle is the Human Kite. The first clue is that Cartman deliberately mispronounces his name at the beginning as "The Human KYKE," a common slur against Jews. Likewise, the Human Kite has the same voice as Kyle's, only a little deeper, which is to be expected as pretty much ALL of the boys deepen their voices while in costume. As for Mysterion and Mosquito, Kenny or Clyde can be either one of them until definitive proof can be found. Also, Mintberry Crunch is very obviously Bradley. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.80.159.103 (talk) 17:08, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

• There's at least as much evidence for Kyle being Mosquito as there is for him being Human Kite. I would hardly call it "clear". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drpvfx (talk • contribs) 17:33, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Crunch from the front: http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr38/TheFBH/Crunchfront.jpg

Crunch from the back: http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr38/TheFBH/Crunchback.jpg

Now see the differences between them and Bradley in the episode: http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr38/TheFBH/Bradleyback.jpg http://i467.photobucket.com/albums/rr38/TheFBH/Bradleyfront.jpg

The lines in his hair are completely gone if we are to believe that Crunch is Bradley. Him drinking water in the restaurant I think is a very strong sign suggesting that Crunch is Kenny.TheFBH (talk) 17:36, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

I propose that, until further information is revealed in future episodes, Mosquito, Human Kite, Mysterion, and Mintberry Crunch are *all* inconclusive and "unknown". We can speculate all we want, but the truth is, these characters should all be listed as "unknown" for now. Anything that seems like a giveaway of one's identity could be a Red Herring. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drpvfx (talk • contribs) 17:40, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Crunch is Kenny: he drinks water and he's behind his payments. I think it's best to leave the possible identities. Of course no speculations (or else I would have written that Clyde is Mysterion, I'm sure of this since The Coon). Piergiorgio Massari (talk) 18:40, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

I think the creatures from another dimension are almost definitely a reference to The Mist. I'm going to add that to the section about cultural references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.100.101.49 (talk) 17:53, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

• Firstly, the appearance of the creatures does NOT qualify this statement to be under the "Secret Identities" section of this Talk. Secondly, the monsters are more related to creatures created by H.P. Lovecraft; several of them even resemble the Mi-Go, Elder Things, and Shoggoths he described. Not to mention Cthulhu himself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.80.159.103 (talk) 19:24, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

I really think the only unsolved Identities are Mintberry Crunch and Mosquito.

• The whole Human Kyke comment really gives away that one
• Clyde was only really competing with Stan to be Mysterion (and since it isn't Stan...)

Mintberry Crunch

• Is blond, but so are both Kenny and Bradley

• Kenny's hairstyle matches more

• I don't remember him speaking much which points to Kenny
• The infamous glass of water also points to Kenny
• Didn't Cartman say he was up to date on his dues?

Mosquito

• Cheap costume points to Kenny

• Ketchup packet belt anyone?

• Somehow I don't see Kenny trying to take the lead or his mom being good for a bake sale recipie

Sangtrone (talk) 03:45, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

• The Mosquito sounds exactly like Craig. (The kid in the blue who likes to give the finger)
• Kennys hair (as shown in the movie) is a dirty blond, while Mint Berry crunch is yellow blonde.
• Mysterion most likely is Kenny. According to the Fuzzy death, No other kids really like the main 4. So it seems unlikely that Clyde or Wendy would approach Kyle as "the smartest kid in class." Also, Kenny is shown sneaking out of his home, and since his parents are drunks, it would be easier for him to be unaccounted for. And Mysterion wear a grayish parka and a hood. The same kinda parka kenny wears. Hence Mysterion is Kenny. Also the irony of having only his face revealed in "The Coon" because thats the only thing we dont see from Kenny. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.86.42.50 (talk) 13:24, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Not to beat a dead horse, since this is all pointless speculation and original research, but Mysterion's costume seems far too elaborate and fancy to be something Kenny can get his hands on. Kenny is hilariously poor, so unless he stole it, which would be ironic, I doubt he'd have access to it. It's far better than literally any of the other kids' costumes. Kenny is also far from the paragon of virtue that Mysterion is. I believe them when they say they never had a real identity in mind. He's like a brand new character altogether. Whatever identity they decide to give him (if any) will probably break some continuity and require suspension of disbelief, and therefore anything goes, at least within the confines of the group of kids we know he has to be one of.
  • For what it's worth, my guesses are Crunch=Kenny (yes mostly the poor thing, but also his relative silence, his being picked on by Cartman, and the way his voice sounds), Kite=Bradley (Cartman doesn't definitively say Kyke, and he would definitely be playing that up if it was), Mosquito=Kyle (taking initiative, standing up to Cartman, and having a lame, if responsible, suggestion), Mysterion=Clyde (they'll just cram this one in there, as it's probably the least damaging to continuity, and actually makes the most sense). --Mac OS X 10:41, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Yeah for the Kenny is too poor excuse, Kenny should be too poor to afford a $200 PSP, a Desktop Computer, WoW(the game and its fees),a Laptop computer, a robotic Halloween costume,tickets to the Jonas Brother's concert and a recently a sniper rifle but somehow he was able to obtain said items. Therefore if he could somehow afford/obtain these objects he would be able to afford/obtain a fancy superhero costume.But we'll have to wait and see. User:Muttzilla —Preceding undated comment added 18:33, 1 November 2010 (UTC).
  • I'm going to have to argue this one in regards to Wendy rather than Kenny; Wendy COULD be the one to approach Kyle as the smartest kid in class; she's the other one considered smartest compared to him, and he's the best friend of her boyfriend. Also, she has the same animosity towards Cartmen and throws just as many fat comments as Mysterion vs Coon in both the original and this one. And there is the standing line in the first one of "How do you know Mysterion is a boy?". Not to mention, she IS very virtuous over all, and her parents DO have money - this was stated back in the Stupid Spoiled Whore episode, when the girls said she wasn't spoiled because her parents gave money to charity 98.227.254.26 (talk) 23:55, 2 November 2010 (UTC) -R.S.Whisper

Mosquito

Everyone hear is forgetting about Craig!. He is unaccounted for, and sounded exactly like the Mosquito. Its clear that he is the Mosquito. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.86.42.50 (talk) 13:27, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Craig is Mosquito

• They sound exactly alike, both wear blue and a tight bluish hat. He has also shown a tendency to like to do normal things, and argue with people in charge. based on the Human Kite being called Kyke, I would say thats Kyle,

MBC is clearly bradley who is seen as a slow mild character. Also I dont see Kenny getting beat up by Cartman and Cartman said that MBC was up to date on all his dues. I would say Mysterion is Kenny, Because if you take of the cape and hood, its basically someone wearing underwear on a gray (instead of an orange/red) Parka —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nightwing040 (talk • contribs) 13:47, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

• But Craig was not shown to be part of the group in "normal" clothes at the end. They show Stan, Kyle, Kenny, Token, Timmy, Bradley, and Clyde (not Craig).

While this doesn't mean Craig can't be one of the heroes, it means it's unlikely, and by no means clear enough to proclaim with certainty. Drpvfx (talk) 16:57, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

LET'S WAIT FOR THE NEXT EPISODE....PERIOD ;)

Maybe the next episode will be more revealing as to the identities of the unknown characters!!! so let's wait for that...... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.177.247.64 (talk) 18:07, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

• Ditto! Wikipedia entries are supposed to be facts, not speculations. Drpvfx (talk) 18:16, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

- We should just keep the superhero names on the main page and not say who they are (whether known or speculative). At least for the time being. - Bella. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.183.11.170 (talk) 19:57, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia, the encylopedia that everyone can vandalize edit!

Although I do agree with you I'm more cycnical about it. Even if you can get most editors to agree to leave it alone until the next episode airs we are still going to have a to revert a whole lot of other editors who don't know or don't care to read the Talk page discussions.

Maybe another editor could come up with a way to reformat the article and just remove/delete the section with so many unknowns that just beg editors to change it. I'm not fan of deleting good faith additions but this might just be a case where it is too speculative and causes too much disagreement to leave it in the article. -- Horkana (talk) 23:16, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Original research

1. Wikipedia is not an episode guide, and whoever Mintberry Crunch, Mysterion and Mosquito are doesn't affect the plot.
2. Wikipedia cannot publish anything that has not already been published in a reliable secondary source.
3. This episode aired last night. People should at minimum wait until the next episode, or better still, follow the example of The Coon and wait for some usable sources to be published. OrangeDog (τ • ε) 19:47, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

I just removed the "Secret identities" section, which violates all of WP:OR WP:CRYSTAL WP:RS and WP:CRUFT. In lack of external reliable sources stating the identities, we can not cite them. Let alone create a guesswork-driven section in which some names even appear as "possibly <whoever>". --uKER (talk) 23:46, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

I just deleted it *again*. If people try to identify Mysterion, Mosquito, Mintberry Crunch or Human Kite, they are *speculating*. There is no evidence at this point! Drpvfx (talk) 00:41, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Delete the speculation but keep the section?

How much did you delete? The whole section or just the speculation. I'm certianly not going to disgree with removing the speculation.

I see Drpvfx deleted only the speculation in one edit. User:Luminum removed the entire section.

I can understand it is a pain to remove the speculation but I don't think that alone is reason to remove a whole section. I would like to keep the details about the characters who have been revealed or are obvious, like ToolShed, Iron Maiden, and TupperWare. -- Horkana (talk) 17:09, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

I initially deleted the entire section, but that was days ago. It's been restored many, many times now, and now I merely make sure the "mystery four" remain listed as "unconfirmed" while there is no solid confirmation. Drpvfx (talk) 17:38, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Human Kite

It is Kyle because it is a play on words because he is a Jew. Kite v. Kike Acidskater (talk) 03:01, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

I watched the episode again. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Cartman say Human Kyke/Kike at the beginning of the episode? If he did then it's bound to be the Human Kite is Kyle. --75.183.11.170 (talk) 03:09, 29 October 2010 (UTC)Bella. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.183.11.170 (talk) 03:03, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

I find that the face being covered is quite like Kenny's hood —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.50.212.27 (talk) 07:13, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

"Human Kyke"?

It seems a *lot* of you are basing your decision that Kyle is Human Kite on the "fact" you think Cartman says "Human Kyke" at the beginning of the episode. I rewound this line many, many times last night, and it's far from clear that he says "Kyke". Without an official script, you are all just guessing he is saying "Human Kyke". It's called a Mondegreen. While I'm not saying Cartman *isn't* saying that, I have to admit there is no evidence he is.

Also, if he were doing that, wouldn't it be much more "Cartman-like" to repeatedly pester him with that name, rather than just saying it once and letting it go? Drpvfx (talk) 16:37, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Have to agree, I heard kite at the time and still do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.123.57.110 (talk) 16:58, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

• Moreover, if this *were* an instance of Cartman using an antisemitic slur against Kyle, it would be the first time in the history of the show in which Kyle does not respond in any way. Drpvfx (talk) 21:18, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

South Park: Coon 2: Hindsight - Secret Identities Clarification

http://www.vivid-abstractions.net/?p=328 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.153.78.232 (talk) 14:52, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

• While I agree with the conclusions there, why are you posting this? It's not an official source and says nothing that hasn't been said here over and over again. --Mac OS X 15:19, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Evidence as to who Mysterion is

One thing everyone here seems to be ignoring is the deleted scene from the season 13 DVD. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nKMvq4hODo In here it was shown that the person who revealed himself as Mysterion was Kyle. Although Kyle wasn't actually Mysterion the whole town thinks he is. In other words there are actually TWO Mysterions, Kyle and another kid. It's pretty obvious that the Mysterion in Coon 2 is Kyle and that the original will remain a mystery forever. 24.83.216.89 (talk) 00:37, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

• As I understand it, the deleted scene involved Kyle pretending to be Mysterion to protect his real identity, a la Dark Knight. However, it's a deleted scene, and is thus non-canon. In fact, in the final ending of the episode Kyle never pretends to be Mysterion and the real Mysterion reveals his face to all. Cartman wasn't surprised and claimed to have guessed his identity (though he simply threw out a lot of names), so we can assume that the real Mysterion is in fact one of the kids we know, and probably one of the kids in this group, and not Kyle. --Mac OS X 00:41, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
• New ads are "promising" to reveal who Mysterion is in the next episode. We'll see if they follow through. Drpvfx (talk) 02:52, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

This is all original research. 146.87.0.77 (talk) 16:53, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

The way that I See

These Characters are confirmed:

Stan: Toolshed Mintberry Crunch: Bradley Tupperwave: Token Iron Maiden: Timmy

There are also some clues: First, as mosquito opposes to coon a few times, and coon beats him up he could be Kyle. Second: the scene which kenny sneaks out of house, he's carrying a black costume,or maybe a bag.which may also means he is mysterion, and also may be a mislead. Third: Mysterion is not kyle, as you all know why, the last scene of The Coon. fourth: as clyde talks with a nasal voice, mosquito may be a referring to him. Fifth:Mysterion's face is covered much like kenny's. and as kenny's voice is heard very few times without hood.it should be kenny.

Conclusion: I personally would like to believe that mysterion is kenny. but we will only see in Mysterion Rises! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.29.241.174 (talk) 17:07, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Mysterion is KENNY!!!!!

Look I know that most of you are probably saying that kenny is MBC, or Mosquito. but their are several things in Hindsite that gives it away. Stan is obviously toolshed, Token is Tupperware, Timmy is Iron Maiden, Cartman is the Coon. now that leaves just Kenny Clyde, Or Kyle. But if you listen closely when Mosquito is giving his speech, then you will see that he says his mom works at a store. We all konw that Kyles mom doesn't work, and that Kennys mom is unemployed as well. Clydes mom hasn't been adressed, so he is mosquito. also Cartman cannot beat up either Kyle or Kenny. and Clyde is shown to be very weak. so Clyde is Mosquito. Leaving Kennyand Kyle. We all know that Kyle isn't him from the scene in The Coon where Mysterion visits Kyle, meaning Kyle is the Human Kite. Leaving Kenny to be Mysterion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ttowen (talk • contribs) 19:24, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

I kinda like your reasoning. Unfortunately, adding it into the article at this point constitutes OR. Let's just wait a couple more days and be sure. --uKER (talk) 19:39, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

• What? I just re-watched it to make sure, and the Mosquito does *not* mention his mother having a job. He mentions she has a recipe for lemon bars, but that's all we know about her. Drpvfx (talk) 07:49, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Okay, this is in reference to ALL of these "Mysterion is..."-themed topics. Nowhere is Mysterion's identity an issue in this episode. Yes, it generated a lot of interest in "The Coon" and yes it will be revealed in the next episode, "Mysterion Rises", but it is clear that the character's identity will not be revealed in this episode, nor does the episode address the issue of Mysterion's identity at all. Therefore, it's not an issue of OR, because it's not even an issue of relevant content to the episode and it has no place being discussed ad nauseam here on the talk page. Please remember that Wikipedia is not a forum, so please do not continue having these discussion here. That's what fan forums and posting boards are for.Luminum (talk) 09:01, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

DP meaning

DP can also mean Double Penetration which is also alluded by two drills in earth. Smilingomen (talk) 13:54, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Wow, you're a genius. 99.242.102.36 (talk) 17:37, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

TY CO —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.138.94.120 (talk) 17:09, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Also when they drill on the moon its a DP and a BJ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.50.212.27 (talk) 07:08, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

This is also emphasized by the CEO saying "oh she'll take it", to make it really obvious it's a sexual reference.

As for this globe that has been DP'd, is not the other hole Ecuador? They had a few problems with their own oil company, and chose to bring in an US oil company that brought a new definission to problems.--85.164.220.139 (talk) 00:22, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

The Black swan reference

Would you agree that the black duck in the dining room is a reference to The Black Swan by Taleb? To me it seems logical, as the episode deals with hindsight (especially about recent events like the BP oil spill) and the recent emergence of numerous economists who explain the economic crisis as if it was the most obvious thing in the world, although they didn't say a word about it before it began (also example of hidsight). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.238.212.252 (talk) 18:48, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Has that Black Duck been seen before? LoveWaffle (talk) 21:44, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Isn't Captain Hindsight a satire of the media?

Seems kinda obvious to me... Am I wrong?

Why nobody has brought that up? Isn't that one of the major bases which this episode rests upon? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.139.51.157 (talk) 20:43, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Because no reliable source has so far published anything about it. OrangeDog (τ • ε) 22:36, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Side note: Captain Hindsight was a reporter before he was a super-hero. TheUncleBob (talk) 04:46, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that's one of the reasons why I thought it's so obvious and self evident.

OrangeDo- But the only reliable source that may have authority here is an inside scoop with one of the creators. Anything else would be a speculation equal to mine. As far as I can recall most of the SP articles on Wikipedia who gives insight to the meaning of episodes- do not give any links to information with inside sources.

Maybe this theory should be introduced to this entry as a *theory*? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.173.57.222 (talk) 15:42, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

• The only mention of Captain Hindsight involves him giving advice on the Brett Favre Sexting Scandal, there entire articles about that. [1] Dream Focus 11:29, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

This article should be at least semi-protected.

People keep inserting their own speculations as to the characters' secret identities. That's not what Wikipedia is for. Drpvfx (talk) 00:52, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

• SERIOUSLY. Now the article has been completely vandalized by user 207.237.121.9

This article should be locked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drpvfx (talk • contribs) 01:11, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

• Thank you, Cyclonius and Mifter. Maybe *this* page should be protected, as well? 207.237.121.9 seems bent on being as disruptive as possible. Drpvfx (talk) 01:29, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

General fixes

If you ever want to move this page toward Good Article standing, you're going to need to redo this page. I tried to start that process, but all the edits got reversed in the meantime to the extent that it's more work just to set it all back. Good Articles are marked by condensed prose, not various one-line statements that fall into trivia lists. Cultural references and jokes do not need to be explained, since they generally lack notability except for the fact that they're references. If we "explain" one joke, we might as well explain them all, and that would be a mess. Given that there are only two legitimate reviews so far and it's unlikely critics will do back-reviews, the sub-sections are sparsely populated and will probably stay that way. "Broadcast and reception" sections are fine together, as they provide richer, comprehensive sections. I also note with dismay that in restoring older edits, editors carried over their structural and syntactical errors, as well non-notable content and original research with the "secret identities" section. It's not a fan page. Hopefully some other editor who knows what they're doing can use these suggestions. The start of it is all in the backlogs. For now, this page has taken a serious step back.Luminum (talk) 03:13, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Way too early to crush that content into one big block. That may happen later but the article is part of a multi-part series and the later parts have not even aired yet. The identities section will likely calm down or be removed when more people have seen the next episode. This article is plenty far away from a good article, and there are plenty of things that should be marked as {{citation needed}} and editors encouraged to WP:IMPROVE before rushing to delete them. It is a self fullfilling prophecy to say sections are "sparsely populated and will probably stay that way" if you condense things like you did or remove without try to push editors to provide citations.

Wikipedia claims to be an encyclopedia, clarity is important, and to just say there is a reference without providing any context isn't very informative. Also an encyclopedia should be long lived and not too easily WP:DATED, as one example things like Brett Farve that might be topical now might not be very meaningful in even a years time (and that's not even mentioning WP:WORLDVIEW). Jackass is never mentioned by name, but it is referenced in the episode. It does need some explanation if only to stop editors who don't even see the reference from removing it until it can be better verified. The grouping together of the various notes about BP was good, and I made an effort to keep that. Captain Hindsight might actually serve as another thread to group together some of the other references in a coherent way but just removing all the line breaks does not make for good prose.

Most of the South Park articles have a Reception section with subheadings for Ratings and Critical response, and as an encyclopedia it is better to keep headings consistent, which means consistent links. Worst case provide {{Anchor}} to the standard headings. Others added back the Identities section. Relax, sit back and watch, let the many editors make their good faith edits, ask for citations, and there will be plenty of time to trim and sculpt the article into something leaner. -- Horkana (talk) 04:46, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

• Wikipedia articles should exist for those who enjoy reading the content, not those who just want to make everything a standard way and as brief as possible. Most people do not care about Good Article standing. Listing the secret identities of the characters is an important aspect of the episode. Lets do a straw poll to stop the constant edit warring about that. Dream Focus 06:55, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Should the secret identity list be included in the article?

To avoid constant adding and deleting of this, lets have everyone state their opinion here, and form a consensus.

• Support Its an important aspect of the episode. If something is an important part of the subject of the article, then it should be included for a proper complete encyclopedic article. Dream Focus 06:55, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
• Weak oppose. It is a an edit war magnet. Initially I wanted to keep in since so many editors made many good faith efforts to work on it. Increasingly it includes information not known until the next episode (I know about spoilers but there more importantly there is no need to be a jerk). My concern about removing it would be that if is removed editors will just cram the information they want to add into the Plot summary instead. -- Horkana (talk) 15:44, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose trivial, do they actually say the characters or are users guessing? Haven't seen it yet....plus if it is kept, needs to be in paragraph form. CTJF83 chat 19:12, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
  • A list is better than table. Prose is definitely preferred. Cartman is already known, Timmy identifies himself, Stan and Token are shown, but off the top of my I think that is all the characters who are reliably identified and the others are increasingly speculative and original research. As it was in earlier reviesions it might be worthwhile even to state that the characters identities are unknown at this point, but I can understand why you oppose including any of it. -- Horkana (talk) 19:34, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
    • I'm gonna see if I can find both episodes tonight. If characters aren't 100% for sure revealed in the show, they need to be removed. CTJF83 chat 19:40, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
      • Yes, the characters identity are 100% revealed in the following episode. Dream Focus 23:16, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose - Trivial. And I find tables and bulleted lists with trivial information specially annoying. --uKER (talk) 13:41, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose/Support - I oppose having an unfinished table of secret identities- as Horkana mentioned, it's simply a magnet for edit wars. I support having a completed table which invites no speculation, whether it lives in this article or that for Mysterion Rises. The spoilers thing should be a total moot point- Wikipedia is Spoiler Central, and anyone using it should already know that. Drpvfx (talk) 18:28, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Infobox Image

Editor User:Dude95 changed the infobox image without discussion or even an edit summary. He has made similar edits to other South Park articles and does not seem to respond to comments on his talk page. The newly added image is okay but I like the old image better and it had a proper alternative description for accessibility.
I'd like to change back to the old image. Any editor who wishes to keep the new image should also make sure the new image has a proper alternative description. -- Horkana (talk) 01:46, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Reverted. if there's any consensus for a different image please make sure to give it a proper alternative description too. -- Horkana (talk) 19:58, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

"Captain Hindsight" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Captain Hindsight has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 6 § Captain Hindsight until a consensus is reached. GnocchiFan (talk) 17:21, 6 September 2023 (UTC)