Talk:Convict era of Western Australia

Convict era of Western Australia was one of the History good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
January 3, 2007	Good article nominee	Listed
May 9, 2009	Good article reassessment	Delisted

Current status: Delisted good article

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Delisted GA

This article did not go through the current GA nomination process. Looking at the article as is, it fails on criteria 2b of the GA quality standards. Although references are provided, the citation of sources is essential for verifiability. Most Good Articles use inline citations. I would recommend that this be fixed, to reexamine the article against the GA quality standards, and to submit the article through the nomination process. --RelHistBuff 10:36, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What am I missing? 2b says: the citation of its sources is essential, and the use of inline citations is desirable, although not mandatory. (my emphasis) The article has properly formatted citations. Inline citations are not going to be appropriate for every article. -- I@n 10:42, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry if I did not give enough details. The article has sources or references. In my opinion it is a great article and worthy of GA status. However, the citation of those sources is missing and it is considered essential (inline or not). The level of detail is variable, of course, but it is worth the effort to provide the details for purposes of verifiability and avoiding original research. For example, the sentence "Few historians chose to study the era, and some historians actively avoided it." This should be cited (who said that and why?), otherwise it looks like a POV. With the citations, the article should have no problems in passing. RelHistBuff 08:17, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Forgive me, but I'm still a bit confused. The example you gave is a statement of fact rather than a POV. Few historians chose to study the era which is evidenced by the lack of studies of it. How is it possible to reference that? The very next sentence gives an example of an important reference source which has that glaring ommision - is that not a reasonable validation of the claim? Perhaps you would be kind enough to tag the areas that you feel need inline citations with {{fact}} tags. -- I@n 08:52, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Renominated, I didn`t quite understand the GA process the first time, and listed instead of nominated, whoops.Ghostieguide 00:15, 10 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

GAC

I evaluated the article based on 7 criteria:

Well-written: Neutral
Factually accurate: Pass
Broad: Pass
Neutrally written: Pass
Stable: Pass
Well-referenced: Fail
Images: Pass

There are a lot of red links, which, if they were for specific things, would be fine, but for convict ship? Only a neutral for that though, not enough to fail it. Referrences are though. As you said above, in-line cites arent' required. Almost every GA article there is uses them, but they're not required. You still have to cite things though. Just saying that such and such a book is a referrence isn't enough- what page is it on? What information did you use from that book? In-line cites not being required is an aesthetic issue, not a content issue- you still need all of that information, even if you choose to display it in a different way. If you're willing to cite the article correctly, even if you want to do it in a different manner than in-line, send me a message on my talk page- I'll re-evaluate the article immediately, rather than waiting for it to go through GAC again. (Especially since it took almost a month this last time.) --PresN 23:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thankyou for your assesment and thoughtful feedback. It is most appreciated. -- I@n 01:59, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Useful information

check the documents on this site out including this one on convicts in WA http://www.foundingdocs.gov.au/item.asp?sdID=11 Gnangarra 12:02, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

GA on hold

on hold for 7 days, lead does not summarize the article and need more refs and refs need consistent formatting.Sumoeagle179 15:30, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

3-day extension, lead still doesn't summarize article.Sumoeagle179 21:19, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

(copied from Ghostieguide talkpage) You're almost there. What a lead should do is summarize each major section of the artilce. Currently, the lead is way too skimpy. A rule of thumb is that at least one sentence, more if needed, on each section should be in the lead. Since you have 5 text sections, there should be at least 5 sentences in the lead and you only have 2. So far nice work, and thanks for improving wiki articles.Sumoeagle179 12:10, 31 December 2006 (UTC).... Ghostieguide 23:27, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I`m away on Wikibreak until 25th. Help is coming from those at Wikipedia:WikiProject Western Australia Thanks all and good luck. Ghostieguide 23:43, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA status

Passed. Good start. More refs and detail would further improve it. Suggest using cite fmt for refs.Sumoeagle179 11:16, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The wikiproject has this as A-class. No way.Sumoeagle179 11:17, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Status and proposal

I've started inlining the references that I used when I originally wrote the article. This will take a while, and in the meantime there will be some {{fact}} tags floating around.

In a few places where I have superior references to hand, I have temporarily replaced the inferior references by {{fact}} tags. Apologies for the temporary loss of refs.

I've also rewritten the first paragraph of the intro. The intro needs another paragraph that summarises what it was like to be a convict in Western Australia.

I propose to move this article to Convict era of Western Australia. Hesperian 11:05, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support ... move to Convict era of Western Australia. A neutral description.

Lead para

"... many years until the colony ceased to have any convicts in its care(?) ..." could perhaps do with a bit of rewriting. Caution in articles POV, generally, regarding gov't & colonial bias in source documents, etc. A good art getting better. Fred 05:23, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Catalpa Rescue

Deleted my contributions to this article as I discovered that the Catalpa Rescue already has it's own article, so I bunged it in as a "see also" instead. petedavo 10:38, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As you wish. It does get a mention in the "End to transportation" section. Hesperian 10:46, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Convict era of Western Australia/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

GA Sweeps: Delisted

As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I believe the article currently has multiple issues that need to be addressed. Unfortunately, due to the amount of uncited statements (many tagged since February 2007), I have delisted this article. However, the article can be return to GA status by addressing the following points below. Once sources are added and cleanup is done, I recommend renominating the article at WP:GAN. If you need assistance with any of these issues, please contact me on my talk page and I'll do my best to help you out. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 23:35, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Needs citations:

All of these have been tagged since February 2007:

"That Swan River Colony would not be a penal colony was highly attractive to many of the potential settlers, and the condition was mentioned often by promoters during the period of Swan River mania."
"Three years later a similar motion was considered but defeated by the Western Australian Agricultural Society."
"With nowhere to send its convicts, the numbers in British jails had increased until the situation had become urgent."
"This was readily agreed to by the original petitioners, and also attracted some wider public support."
"Settlers deprecate receiving only exiles or ticket-of-leave men because labour without capital can do them no good and their conclusion therefore is to request that the colony may be created into a regular Penal Settlement in the hope of a large consequent expenditure."
"Eventually the British Government agreed to the colonists' demands for funding, but since the expenditure was not warranted for only 100 convicts, it was decided to greatly increase the number of convicts sent."
"The first of these was honoured throughout the convict era; and the second until 1868, when the last convict ship to Western Australia, the Hougoumont, was sent out with 62 Fenian prisoners on board."
"Notable exceptions include Moondyne Joe, who remained at large in the colony for two years, and John Boyle O'Reilly, a Fenian prisoner who escaped to the United States."
"After serving a period of time as a ticket of leave man, the convict might obtain a conditional pardon, which meant complete freedom except that they could not return to England."
"In accordance with this, the last convict ship to Western Australia, the Hougoumont, departed Britain in 1867 and arrived in Western Australia on 10 January 1868."
"I do trust, my Lord, that you will bear in mind that this unfortunate colony has lost much in one sense by the introduction of convicts, lost again in another by the cessation of transportation, has not received the equivalent she had reason to expect when she sold her honour and is now struggling for existence under the pressure of the hand of Providence weighing on her in continued bad seasons, floods and tempests, whilst she has out of her poverty to support criminals, lunatics and paupers — the dregs of the cup she has drained."
"Much of the penal system's infrastructure was handed over to the colony, including the Convict Establishment, which became Fremantle Prison."
"In 1874, Western Australia's Legislative Council lobbied the British government for responsible government but were refused, the grounds for refusal including that the proportion of ex-convicts in the colony was too high."
"There has been a surge in interest in convict history and genealogy throughout Australia."
"At the request of the colony, convicts were initially selected for transportation in accordance with three conditions"

Other issues:

The lead would benefit with further expansion, attempt to summarize all of the various headings in the article. For further instructions, see WP:LEAD.
"Nonetheless, the idea was under discussion later that year, with the Fremantle Observer editorialising on the need for convict labour,,[5] and..." Remove the extra comma.
"Towards the end of that year, a meeting of settlers at King George Sound passed a motion, signed by sixteen persons, that convict labour was needed for land clearing and road works, but this was met with little support in other parts of the colony..[2]" Extra period.
"The York Agricultural Society, which consisted mostly of pastoralists, argued that the colony's economy was on the brink of collapse due to an extreme shortage of labour." Has a broken footnote for the source.
Some of the references have formatting issues.
Catalpa: Escape of the Fenians from Western Australia in the external links section is a dead link.

source of interest - Female convicts

"[No heading]". The Perth Gazette and Independent Journal of Politics and News (WA : 1848 - 1864). WA: National Library of Australia. 29 May 1857. p. 3. Retrieved 26 February 2014.

Will be of interest to someone specifically working on this article, in short it conveys the opposition to female convicts Gnan garra 08:24, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Lashes

Why did prisoners receive lashes

Lashes

Why did prisoners receive lashes — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.164.155.239 (talk) 08:11, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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