Talk:Contract year phenomenon

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I removed the so-called "examples" of the contract year phenomenon because it blatantly violated WP:BLP, WP:NOR and WP:RS. I have the impression that the maker of this page used WP to rip people he did not like. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 10:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Another Wikipedia nazi. This isn't some project curing cancer folks, it's one of a billion entries in an online encyclopedia. Enough with the faux sense of importance.

All research is original research at some point. I didn't come up with any of the athletes listed (Erick Dampier, Jerome James etc.) on my own. They were all players who were cited by the print or television media as players that cashed in and didn't fulfill expectations after that. But I guess since I didn't cite 10 articles from the New York Times then it must not be true. I don't have a grudge against overpaid sucky players. These people are famous because they got huge contracts and then played sucky. Would anyone even know who Jerome James is without his contract? Is this whole thing made up when you can post stats to back it up? My stats on Dampier were deleted with everything else, but the bottom line is that he played seven seasons and only once did he average double figures (points, 97-98). Then in his contract year he averaged a double double. In the four seasons since then, he has not averaged double figures. So - ten seasons of not doing something, one season of doing it....which just happened to be his contract year.

Yes, I must be a jaded Erick Dampier hater. NICK RIVERS OUT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nick Rivers (talk • contribs) 19:05, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

The article you wrote here is unfortunately a good example of how not to write a WP article.

1. Phrases like "many said...", "X is seen as a player who never gave any effort", "it is regarded" just cry original research and weasel words.
2. Bad sources. Source 1 was a blog, which fails WP:RS, and your Adrian Beltre and Erick Dampier articles did not even feature the word "contract year phenomenon".
3. Logical fallacies. Is the contract the ONE AND ONLY reason why Dampier played subpar? For starters, Dampier played next to superstar Dirk Nowitzki, who is a better scorer and rebounder than Dampier, logically reducing his stats. Possibly Avery Johnson and Don Nelson gave him a much more defensive role. But in your world, the contract is the only reason, and that is 100% OR.

Also thanks for calling me a Nazi, Godwin's law says you have now lost the argument by default.—Onomatopoeia (talk) 15:19, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I was the person who originally added the stats on Erick Dampier all those years ago, and I have no affinity for or against him either way. But it is FACT that he played his best basketball - by a country mile - in the years he was on expiring contracts. This is indisputable and even a cursory glance at his stats and contacts confirms it. Why can Dampier not be spoken about when he is such an obvious example of this 'phenomenon'? If examples can't be given using specific players, the article should be deleted completely. If examples don't exist, the 'phenomenon' doesn't exist. All I did when I originally added that information is say that Dampier averaged XY and Z in years when his contact was expiring, and AB and C over the rest of his career. As for what Onomatopoeia says, well, that's just rubbish. I provided actual statistics to prove Dampier as an example, while Onomatopoeia uses a bunch of speculation and assumption and tenuous 'logic' (ie Nowitzki a better rebounder than Dampier) to try to debunk fact.220.240.153.58 (talk) 18:20, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Article improvement

I think this article would be best served by breaking it down into sections (for MLB, NBA, etc) along with some introductory general commentary. Most of the statistics cited in the current general commentary would only be understandable by fans of that particular sport.

It needs more published works as citations. They do exist.

IMO it should also be less tied to geography. This is a phenomenon impacting humanity & not simply North America (in particular the US). I imagine that there is published work regarding soccer players & contracts, & whether it is supportive of the overall theory or not (it certainly might not be), it should be included here. Dlobr (talk) 17:26, 31 January 2023 (UTC)