Talk:Contingent sovereignty

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Westphalian sovereignty and Contingent sovereignty needs attention

These articles were apparently created as part of a cover history for User:Liliana Dioguardi, who has been suspected to be in the employ of a Kremlin propaganda effort - specifically in her creation and maintenance of the International Council for Democratic Institutions and State Sovereignty article in support of the public legitimacy of that organization. The prominent international news and business magazine The Economist magazine has reported that this organization is likely a front for a Kremlin-sponsored disinformation effort, and has specifically identified the ICDISS article and User:Liliana Dioguardi as part of this effort. See these articles[1][2] and the ICDISS article talk page[3].
While these articles seem to be legitimate subjects, Dioguardi is responsible for all, or almost all their content - this makes these articles suspect for NPOV reasons.. I urge Wikipedians with a political theory/history/international relations/international law background to help build these articles beyond their sad "cover story" beginnings. Bwithh 05:53, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Edward Lucas here, author of The Economist's articles on this subject. Can I just correct the statement above which puts matters too strongly. I don't know who Liliana Dioguardia is, and I have not accused her of anything. It is true that she is the original Wikipedia author for the ICDISS entry as well as this one. I have posted several messages and e-mails to her requesting that she contacts me as I am am trying to verify whether the ICDISS really exists, and clear up what appear to be some troubling inconsistencies in its published account of its activities and history. So far she hasn't done so, but there may be many reasons for that: perhaps she is on holiday, for example. An ICDISS representative has told me that she is Venezuelan and cannot comment publicly because it may endanger her family. This may or may not be true. 194.129.60.10 17:14, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just from a WP perspective, I think this is an important topic, but I don't think the current version of the article meets NPOV requirements. Cheers, Sam Clark 15:56, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Edward here again--I strongly feel that the ICDISS should not be presented unquestioningly here. I am still waiting for Ms Dioguardia to get in touch. 194.129.60.10 16:54, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The articel currently makes no mention of that instutution. How do you think it should be presented here, if at all? IMAO the original entry looked similar to the SPUSA spammer going around adding "We care about this issue too!". 68.39.174.238 11:01, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]