Talk:Contact sport

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Injuries

In regards to this section I can add much more information on injuries from a health aspect and common injuries in the sport. I can also add some infamous injuries that have changed the ways and rules some of these contact sports are played. 144.80.144.70 (talk) 16:41, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Association football

I have reverted this edit as the sources used are not reliable. Everything in Wikipedia has to be verifiable to a reliable source. The gftskills.com website is a self-published website advertising a personal trainer. The other source soccertruths.com is a self published website created by a team of soccer nerds. They do not meet the standards for inclusion. If you can find a peer-reviewed or published work eg an academic journal or a newspaper (not a tabloid) that discusses whether this is a contact sport, limited contact etc then this could be used. Please do not try and re-add the information without discussing it here or without a reliable source. See bold, revert, discuss and the 3 revert rule which guide your actions here. Woody (talk) 15:24, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Debate if Association Football should be a Limited or Full Contact Sports?

In the recent months there have been debate if Association football (Soccer) should be classification as a Full Contact or Limited Contact Sports by some Wikipedia users. A few months ago I have removed Association football from Wikipedia Contact Sports pages due to lack of references to support it. Back in June 2020, I did added reference mention hard tackles in soccer but the sources I have added are not reliable enough. Then I did try to find the reliable sources weeks ago if Soccer is a limited or full contact sports, but it seems I can't find the reliable sources to support contact grades on Soccer. But there is difference opinion about it, For Examples:

Some people does call Soccer a full contact sports as Injuries can happened frequent due to hard tackles, Injury to head or hard hit by the ball. Another reason why soccer could be a full contact is because it have contact actions like slide tackles, blocking, headers and also have perfectly legal to knock a player off the ball, or even to the ground in several ways (e.g) it is a fast sports as the soccer ball can travel up to 100 km/hour;. Soccer also have a high rate concussions along with American Football, Ice Hockey and Rugby.

Some people does call Soccer a limited contact sports as it have rules are specifically designed to prevent contact between players either intentionally or unintentionally. Contact can still happen, but penalties are often used to disallow substantial contact between players. In soccer player cannot tackling from behind, kicking and holding opponent.

I would think "full contact" would be defined as allowing direct full force contact, even for limited circumstances, and that such contact is not atypical.

80.233.55.39 (talk) 21:15, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

If the case for association football being a "limited contact" sport is based only on the rules that limit the type of permissible contact then the same case can be made for all other codes of football too as all limit the way that contact is allowed. the Law of the Game do cite excessive or potentially dangerous play as being prohibited without clearly defining what this might be. If we want to continue this discussion, I propose we compare national level governance of the game because it is the only way to effectively review how the game is played and how the laws.. are enforced. Anyone that actually watches and understands football knows that it is a contact sport, those that have played the game know this on a visceral level. That contact is limited in a different way to what is permissible in other codes of football does not change this fact. SteadyJames (talk) 07:37, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

The source that should be used is an authoritative one independent of each sport - otherwise you're asking to interpret specific rules and guidance. This would be WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. Instead the AAP's definitions are pretty exhaustive and have been used in multiple studies since originally published in 1988 ( https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article-abstract/81/5/737/55191/Recommendations-for-Participation-in-Competitive?redirectedFrom=PDF ). The list provided appears to have gone through revisions ( See 1988 vs the equivalent 1994 table, so ideally we would need to identify the most recent classification to see if it has been expanded further or revised. Koncorde (talk) 00:13, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

both version of the cited source classify association football as contact/collision. I cannot find a second corroborative source. Dictionary definitions might be useful here to frame what sources are available. SteadyJames (talk) 08:16, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

There are several articles in the BMJ that address medical topics related to contact sports, several of them cite “soccer” and the contact derived injuries sustained by players: https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/45/4/275 SteadyJames (talk) 08:20, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

I don't think there is any dispute with the status of Football being a contact sport at this point - and we can dismiss the idea of it being "limited contact" as that definition only exists by the AAP and so (if we take their list as gospel as the only reliable categorisation so far identified) it can only be categorised as Contact / Collision (and the collision category is related to injury risk).

From what I can tell no other organisation subcategorises contact sports in such a way so the prior format / layout of the page was pure imagination.

It would be useful to have an authoritative source for the idea of "Full contact" martial arts, and content related to injuries. BMJ studies discussing contact sports would be useful as would news articles about high profile cases of collapse following collisions such as recently happened in the NFL, see Commodio cordis. Koncorde (talk) 12:19, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Here’s a BMJ article on injuries sustained in full contact Taekwondo matches (with definition) https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/bjsports/29/4/258.full.pdf

it’s a bit old. And there’s almost certainly other stuff out there. In the least, it demonstrates that the term ‘full contract’ has been in sustained use for some time. SteadyJames (talk) 20:59, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

In other codes of football, contact between players is encouraged as a means of allowing the ball to be contested. In association football, players are encouraged to play the ball, not the man. That's the difference. – PeeJay 16:41, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

That’s not strictly true. Shoulder charges are legal in football when the ball is being contested. Contact is also permitted when two or more players contest headers. SteadyJames (talk) 20:43, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Exactly, hence "limited contact". – PeeJay 21:02, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

The problem is all contact in a sporting sense is limited. You could say the same of Australian rules or rugby league—-that permitted contact is limited by the rules under which each sport is played. SteadyJames (talk) 21:16, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Indeed, the definition of "limited contact" is like slicing an onion. Aussie Rules allows more contact than American Football, which allows different types of contact to Rugby Union, which allows different contact to League and so on and so forth.

However outside of the list provided by the AAP no other definition exists of what exactly "limited contact" is, or how it is defined. Their definition is quite simple: if the contact is incidental to the sport it is "limited" in terms of the quantity or risk of occurance. In contrast all the sports listed under "Contact" in their list explicitly allow physical contact between players even if there are rules and limitations. Koncorde (talk) 23:46, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Of course the contact is limited by the rules, in that it can't be uncontrolled or dangerous, but I feel you're missing the point. In codes other than association football, contact between defenders and the ball carrier is encouraged. It is the very means by which possession is contested. In association football, making contact with the opponent is almost always punished. You claim shoulder charges are legal, but that's less and less the case these days; running side by side with the man in possession is allowed, but actually charging into him with your shoulder is not. That's why association football is "limited contact" rather than "full contact". Yes, it's a spectrum of how much contact is allowed but you have to look at the types of contact that are allowed and how the ball is contested. – PeeJay 13:18, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

It's not so much missing the point as pointing out that the definition of "Limited contact" and "Full contact" (originally raised at the start of this section, and based on original dwscription on this page) being referred to doesn't exist in the sources for the sports referred to. Full contact is reserved for martial arts, while "limited-contact" is defined as a format of sport where the contact is incidental and not an integral component of the game.

In contrast to that definition Football has headers, contested dribbling, shielding the ball, slide tackling, goalkeepers jumping to the floor, players being knocked over, falling over, or purposely diving all of which make it a contact sport. These are by definition "Contact".

Full contact in contrast, if it was applied per the definition to rugby or similar, would basically advocate for kicking, punching and other striking as that is what the definition of "full contact" says it is. They instead differentiate other formats of their contact sport (such as tag or flag rugby) as limited contact as a downgrade from contact. Koncorde (talk) 17:35, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

I agree with Koncorde. Contact is permissible when contesting the ball in football. That the rules are often interpreted differently (badly?) doesn’t change the fact contact is a legal and encouraged part of the game. SteadyJames (talk) 10:36, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

P.H.E

Is rail race a contact sports and If no why 41.190.3.64 (talk) 19:51, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

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