Talk:Constans II

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Pogonatus describes his son Constantine IV - cf. the Greek page on Byzantine emperors. - Jowfair

Not really - a look at the coin on the left is enough to convince oneself that he has got a long and very distinctive beard ("Pogonatos" = bearded). The beard of his son Constantine IV never grew that long (see his coins). This confusion was explained in an article in Byzantinische Zeitschrift some 100 years ago - a good example of the perseverance of old errors... - Marek

He is known as Constans to historians. Just like his predecessor Constans. No need to rename the article to the unused "Constantine". The form Constantine II (emperor) applies to the son of Constantine I (emperor) and Fausta who reigned from 337 to 340. User:Dimadick

As far a I know, Constans went to Syracuse only after his visit in Rome in autumn 663. Somebody said that he went in Syracuse in 661. Is there a reference for that? User:Gmelfi

Last consul?

The introductory text claims that Constans was the last Roman consul. Yet the consul succesion box at the bottom of the article lists Justinian II as having held the consulship later. This contradiction needs to be resolved.--Iacobus (talk) 03:02, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Constans grew increasingly fearful that his younger brother, Theodosius, could oust him from the throne: he therefore obliged him first to take holy orders, and later had Theodosius killed in 660.

This is only an hypotesis. According to George Finlay (Greece under the Romans) and J.B. Bury (History of the Later Roman Empire from Arcadius to Irene), the motives of the Theodosius' execution are unknown. I propose to change "Constans grew" in "according to many historians (such as Gibbon) Constans would grow".

However, having attracted the hatred of citizens of Constantinople, Constans decided to leave the capital and to move to Syracuse in Sicily.

This is Gibbon's opinion. According to others historians, Constans decided to move to Italy to relieve it by Lombards.

However, the latter resisted and Constans withdrew to Naples, while part of his army was destroyed by the Beneventani at Forino, between Avellino and Salerno (other source tells the battle was near Calore River, an afflunet of the river Volturno and the Commander was Mitolas, count of Capua) on May 8, 663.

According to Paul Deacon's Historia Longobardorum (History of the Lombards) the two battles (the battle of Forino and the battle near Calore River) are distinct battles. The battle of Calore River was fought before the battle of Forino. The article should be expanded. There are a lot of things to write about Constans (The Typos, the Thema system (according to Treadgold Constans II was the creator of the reform of the themes), the War against Lombards, the defeat near Phoenix (500 ships destoyed), the Wars in Africa, the ghost Theodosius etc.). I'm sorry if my english isn't good by I'm not a native speaker.--93.44.65.30 (talk) 21:03, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Entirely agree with the last paragraph. The article is incomplete (and misleading) to a large degree. Dipa1965 (talk) 06:33, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rape?

Uh, according to September_15#Events, it says he was raped in his bath in syracuse. Is this true? 190.246.27.56 (talk) 02:10, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Of course it isn't. An idiot had managed to get his vandalism unnoticed (now removed). Thank you. Dipa1965 (talk) 14:15, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved by Necrothesp (talk · contribs) (non-admin housekeeping closure). Jenks24 (talk) 07:38, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Constans II (Byzantine Emperor) → Constans II — This is where the article was until it was moved without discusison a few days ago and my effort to get it moved back without fuss was impeded by the one who moved it. It was at this title for years and I believe this is the primary meaning of "Constans II". Srnec (talk) 05:02, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As you can see here, my request for a {{db-move}} was fulfilled, but the one who moved this article jumped in within the space of an hour and redirected the page somewhere else, preventing a restoration of the status quo. Who should really have to take this to RM? Srnec (talk) 05:06, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

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Discussion

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I have moved it back. It is clearly the primary topic. A legitimate emperor who reigned for 27 years against a usurper who "reigned" for less than two. There is no contest here. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:18, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Srnec (talk) 01:34, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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unintelligible edit

This edit is both both unintelligible and poorly referenced.--Dipa1965 (talk) 09:29, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese contact off topic/time period doesnt match most of it

If this is about Constans the 2, the section about chinese records seems off. Constans was only alive from 630-668. Other than 1 record about an embassy being sent to China, none of the other items listed pertain to Constans II. Muawiyah I was after Constans II.

Maybe this section can be moved to a more general Byzantine empire page.

His religious views

Is it fair to say that Constans II was a Monothelite? — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs) 19:38, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Death by bucket

The source says he was "murdered while bathing, either struck in the head by a servant or stabbed by the conspirators...". Where does the bucket come from? I'm adding a citation needed for now, all the other sources I can find seem like they're just referencing Wikipedia.

Radeklew (talk) 05:34, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Theophanes, Chronographia AM6160 - Mango and Scott (1997) translation has the murderer, Andrew (son of Troilos), hit Constans in the head with a bucket. Turtledove (1982) translation says Andrew used a soap dish. 2A00:23C7:C300:9001:14DA:F26F:118E:A85B (talk) 20:14, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]