Talk:Conservation and restoration of metals

Great work - amazing to see it's growth. I'll put out some "call to arms " in the WG discussion lists. volvo165 (talk) 22:54, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is an interesting article that is taking on a huge topic! It's interesting to see it come together. I'd like to recommend that the person or persons that are editing it create accounts so that it's possible to understand who is doing what, and to connect with those. It does seem like this article as it stands now has a US-centered approach in its language, but it should be known that the English version of WP is meant for all English-speaking countries and is not nation specific. Also, I'm not certain that the disclaimer at the end will stand through any of WP's policies. Nice work! --RichardMcCoy (talk) 12:03, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Best regards I am author of article,and I hope that fact that I like anonimity(IP number) is not problem(article is adapted translation of my article on croatian wikipedia/thanks god on google translator!/,previously tested on preservapedia and metalsconsn-info websites,Call for colaboration is still archived on Metals Conservartion Discussion Group). Gb777 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gb777 (talk • contribs) 07:27, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it's a problem, but I think your editing anonymously is problematic as it does not allow for other users to engage in a dialogue with you at all. I recommend creating a real account.--RichardMcCoy (talk) 20:23, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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deterioration importance

This article is quite extensive which is good, but I find the 7-line paragraph under Deterioration of metals should have more precedence of importance then the 7-line paragraph and continued information on organic and inorganic materials that may be associated with metals, especially when it is not explicitly stated what impact the deterioration of these associated materials may have on metals. JL Fenger (talk) 19:25, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also in the same vein of thought: Why is the Conservation of materials associated with metals such a prominence? Although very good information and of use if such material is found with the metal of question. This information might better be condensed in relevance to metal i.e. keep: "Oriental lacquer - urushi requires a different approach than western lacquers and may be found on the Japanese arms and armor." The rest could be linked to conservation of Oriental lacquer. JL Fenger (talk) 19:37, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Outline

The outline could flow more, be more organized and focused on the subject: Conservation and restoration of metals. JL Fenger (talk) 11:18, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The topic order could be switched around which will assist in how it reads with a bit more substance put in where it counts and other items condensed and/or removed to another linked pages. JL Fenger (talk) 11:18, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Metal conservation

More actual substance about metal conservation and restoration included in the article needs to be added. JL Fenger (talk) 19:18, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Structure

The training section is very beneficial to the topic of conservation of metals, however the current layout appears quite daunting. What would the best format be for this information? And is it actually relevant in this setting? WhitecarNc (talk) 23:23, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The training section is daunting, but Upon looking at the list compared to the full list, they are establishments that have training specific to metals conservation or object conservation which includes metals. Still seems bulky, though. JL Fenger (talk) 04:14, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If anyone has any examples of case studies, I think a section with external links to those would be a great addition! WhitecarNc (talk) 23:26, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

To better the flow and understanding of the article, the Conservation section could potentially be broken into two separate sections; Preventative Conservation and Conservation Treatment. Preventative Conservation can then be broken down into various sub sections, such as storage, environment, handling, etc. WhitecarNc (talk) 23:30, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The section headings seem quite good, but, a lot of this is just lists and needs some prose to introduce the sections. Perhaps incorporating some/all of the lists, or these lists needs to become separate list articles (eg. the training one already exists as a separate page, so its not clear why its partially repeated here). Daniel Cull (talk) 14:13, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Intro is a bit of a jumble, and doesn't usefully relate this page to other wikipedia pages associated with metals conservation. It doesn't structurally set this page up as an overview of the field rather than a deeper dive into specific material based conservation. ie. it's metals conservation not copper-allow conservation. The Commonly, less commonly, used metals seems a bit of an odd set of lists. These could far more usefully be combined into a prose section on metal that conservators find in their work. How exactly not sure, but its quite clunky at the moment. Daniel Cull (talk) 14:15, 19 April 2020 (UTC) There's a whole bunch of weird lists of references and external links sections, which really have no place in an article. They're really great resources for references and really should end up being removed and turned into in-text references. perhaps they could be whole sale copied and placed into the talk page at some point. Which might make the article a bit easier to follow. Daniel Cull (talk) 14:29, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that a prose format would be more beneficial to the structure and flow of the article. Especially in terms of the training and additional resources. An overall section for additional resources with sub sections on print resources and web-based resources might help there. The article's reference section is also placed in the middle of all these additional resources and should be moved to the bottom. WhitecarNc (talk) 19:43, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree a condensing or moving of some of the additional resources would tidy up the article. The article is half resources, further readings, etc. there are also some that appear irrelevant to the topic and several could probably be deleted. i.e. #29 & #31 are the same reference: an advertisement for a company that sells chrome paint and are referenced in the same chart. Maybe the person sharing this information could shed some light on the significance of the reference. JL Fenger (talk) 04:32, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Possible References

AICCM. (2018). Metals. Retrieved from https://www.aiccm.org.au/things-we-conserve/metals

Barclay, R. L., Dignard, C., & Selwyn, L. (2019). Caring for metal objects. Retrieved from https://www.canada.ca/en/conservation-institute/services/preventive-conservation/guidelines-collections/metal-objects.html

NPS. 2002. National Park Service: Museum Handbook. Appendix O: Curitorial Care of Metal Objects. Retrieved from https://www.nps.gov/museum/publications/MHI/Appendix%20O.pdf

NPS. 2014. National Park Service: Museum Handbook. Chapter 5: Biological Infestations. Retreived from https://www.nps.gov/museum/publications/MHI/CHAP5.pdf

Turner-Walker, Gordon. (2008). A Practical Guide to the Care and Conservation of Metals. Retrieved from https://www.researchgate.net/publication/319313759_A_Practical_Guide_to_the_Care_and_Conservation_of_Metals WhitecarNc (talk) 19:39, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Metal 95 and Metal 98, the ICOM-CC Conference Proceedings need to be included in this article as key references. It looks like 2004 and 2010 are already in the external links section. In fact that external links section is really great resource for references and really should end up being removed and turned into in-text references. Daniel Cull (talk) 14:25, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Canadian Conservation Institute. (2018, May 18). Pollutants. Retrieved March 2020 from https://www.canada.ca/en/conservation-institute/services/agents-deterioration/pollutants.html JL Fenger (talk) 20:10, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Caple. (2000). Conservation Skills, Judgement, method and decision making. Routledge. JL Fenger (talk) 20:10, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gascoigne, Bamber. “History of Metallurgy” History World. From 2001, ongoing. http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/plaintexthistories.asp?historyid=ab16 JL Fenger (talk) 20:10, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

JP Brown & William B Rose. (1997). Development of humidity recommendations in museums and moisture control in buildings JL Fenger (talk) 20:10, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

MFA. (2011). MFA Highlights Conservation and Care of Museum Collections. Museum of Fine Arts, Boston. JL Fenger (talk) 20:10, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

National Air and Space Museum . (n.d.). Painted Metals. Retrieved from https://airandspace.si.edu/collections/horten-ho-229-v3/preservation/painted-metals.cfm JL Fenger (talk) 20:10, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nigel Blades, Tadj Oreszczyn, Bill Bordass, and May Cassar. (2000). Guidelines on Pollution Control in Museum Buildings. Museums Association: London. JL Fenger (talk) 20:10, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

NPS. 2012. National Park Service: Museum Handbook. Part One. Chapter 4. JL Fenger (talk) 20:10, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reference. (2020). What is a List of Soft Metals?. Retrieved March 2020 from https://www.reference.com/science/list-soft-metals-e1a0d8d3dcbbc1a0 JL Fenger (talk) 20:10, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Simon Lambert. (2014). The Early History of Preventive Conservation in Great Britain and the United States (PDF) (1850–1950), CeROArt [Online], 9 | 2014, Online since 13 January 2014, connection on 12 August 2018. JL Fenger (talk) 20:10, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ward, Phillip Ward. (1986, 2010). The Nature of Conservation, A Race Against Time. Santa Monica, CA, Getty Conservation Institute. JL Fenger (talk) 20:10, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki. (27 January 2020). Conservation and restoration of metals. Retrieved 2 March 2020 from https://en.wikipedia.org/wik/Conservation_and_restoration_of_metals JL Fenger (talk) 20:10, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki. (8 February 2020). Conservation and restoration of musical instruments. Retrieved 2 March 2020 from https://en.wikipedia.org/wik/Conservation_and_restoration_of_musical_instruments#Preventive_Conservation JL Fenger (talk) 20:10, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki. (18 August 2019). Conservation and restoration of photographic plates. Retrieved 4 March 2020 from https://en.wikipedia.org/wik/Conservation_and_restoration_of_photographic_plates#Agents_of_Deterioration JL Fenger (talk) 20:10, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]