Talk:Conquest of California

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The text was originally written by rjensen for Wikipedia and Citizendium.org and is available for reuse here under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike 3.0 Unported License and the GNU Free Documentation License (unversioned, with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts). Rjensen (talk) 04:03, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

About the title

I have a problem with the title of this article. It seems very non-neutral, very POV, to call this historical event a "conquest" - which implies the writer is taking sides between the "victor" and the "vanquished". Also, I doubt very much that someone looking for information about how California became part of the United States would look under this search term. --MelanieN (talk) 14:07, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Mexicans and the Americans and the Californians all considered it a conquest--and the historians as well. In what way is "conquest" non-neutral? The facts are not in doubt that 1) there was a war 2) US Army moved in and took over 3) result was California went from Mexico to USA. The dictionary (Webster 3rd) defines "conquest" as "territory definitely appropriated in war" Rjensen (talk) 15:11, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"""let me add that both that latest and the oldest scholarship uses "Conquest" --the newest is Robert W. Merry, A Country of Vast Designs: James K. Polk, the Mexican War and the Conquest of the American Continent (2009) Rjensen (talk) 15:17, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

@MelanieN and Rjensen: I think the question is what is the WP:COMMONNAME? While I think "California Campaign" is a very neutral term, it only brings back 3.7k hits, of which under 1k are books. A summary of the U.S. Army history up until 1917, gives the events of the American effort in Alta California less than a paragraph worth of content (pages 187-188), and no specifically named campaign streamer. "California Conquest" only returns under 2k hits. The current name has the most hits (123k), with 14.2k hits in books alone.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 00:53, 16 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Beginnings

There are missing a few words about the Junta of Monterey, their leader Castro was not Mexican, he was Californio --Roksanna (talk) 13:19, 22 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mexican perspective?

It would be good to have more information from the Mexican point of view. For example, all the figures of losses seem to be Americans. Or are Mexican records unavailable? It would also be good to have more details on well, everything. Ernest Ruger (talk) 09:29, 21 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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