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From the title of the work one would assume this a piece for orchestra and two pianos. If, as I gather, there is no orchestra involved in this particular case, the article needs to state this unequivocally, clearly, and immediately. TheScotch (talk) 08:48, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. I see your point. The article already begins with the remark "sometimes also referred to as Concerto for Two Solo Pianos or rather as its Italian original name, Concerto per due pianoforti soli", but even that might leave some doubt. What do you suggest for a disclaimer? Perhaps that sentence should conclude, "is a composition by Russian composer Igor Stravinsky for only just two pianos, without any orchestra whatsoever, in spite of what the title may seem to imply"? Or perhaps something a little more subtle?—Jerome Kohl (talk) 21:30, 26 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Recording by Stravinsky & Soulima

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Their 1938 recording was first issued (as recorded) on five Columbia 78rpm sides, as LFX951-3 (with the Mozart Fugue, K426, as fill-up).[1][2]. While neither of these published listings is a cast-iron guarantee of actual issue (they both relied on company catalogues), these discs do exist, and I could scan a label for this page, if necessary. Peteradamson (talk) 18:19, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Point taken. What about the Vronsky/Babin recording of 1945? Did that really languish in the vaults until finally being issued in the LP era?—Jerome Kohl (talk) 18:40, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm... I hadn't heard that story. But it might well explain why I have never managed to find them on the Columbia 78rpm set MM837, although it doesn't prove that it was not issued as 78s. Some 78rpm sets were announced but apparently never issued in that form, although WERM [as in the reference] does occasionally pick up on that particular fate! In some cases things went the other way, where an 'LP only' tag is wrong and 78s were actually issued (for instance Webern op.11 on Paradox). Peteradamson (talk) 20:51, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I am aware of such cases. The Library of Congress WorldCat lists only LP releases of the Vronsky/Babin recording but, as you say, that does not necessarily mean it was never issued on 78s. I just added another early recording, issued on three 78rpm discs coupled with Mozart's Theme and Variations in G major, and also (at about the same time) on LP coupled with Stravinsky's Violin Concerto played by Samuel Dushkin and the Orchestre des Concerts Lamoureux conducted by Stravinsky.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 21:13, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Appleton and Field's recording was reviewed in the Gramophone Shop Supplement for March 1949; it also appeared on (?French) Polydor 78s, which would tie in with coupling it on LP with the Violin Concerto (itself of course a Polydor recording). Interestingly, the Gramophone Shop Supplement for October 1949 then reviews the Vronsky/Babin recording, but doesn't make it clear whether they played the 78rom set or the LP (which is even perhaps suggestively given as "Also, CLP-ML4157"). Along the same lines of noting early recordings, it would be worth mentioning also the Ultraphon issue of similar date, by Grete and Josef Dichler (H 23268/70, also Austrian Telefunken C3016/8, Supraphon 11400/2); that one is in the main section of WERM (so pre May 1950), but not in a 1949 Supraphon catalogue (in English). And perhaps also amend the main page text to reflect the pre-LP issue of the 1938 recording... Peteradamson (talk) 11:57, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ The World's Encyclopaedia of Recorded Music, Supplement I (Clough & Cuming, 1952, p.842)
  2. ^ The Gramophone (Continental Issues, July 1951, p.48
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