Talk:Comanche language

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Voiceless vowels

Are the voiceless vowels phonemic, or allophones of the voiced ones? --Ptcamn 23:53, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I believe they are phonemic, but I could be wrong. –Benjamin (talk) 23:13, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Preaspiration and Preglottalization

Are the preglottalized and preaspirated consonants non-phonemic? I put them into the phonology section and they were forcibly excised. The Armagost Dictionary and Grammar notes their existence, but not whether or not they are phonemic. I've found what I thought were minimal pairs differentiated only by preglottalization or preaspiration - is the process predictable? –Kewint 11:49, 9 February 2010

These are not unitary phonemes, but clusters. Charney's grammar is more accurate. (Taivo (talk) 05:42, 10 February 2010 (UTC))[reply]

Fair enough. I've found a nearby library with a copy of Charney's grammar, and I'll pick it up shortly. In the meantime, I'll make what use I can of the Robinson-Armagost grammar. –Kewint (talk) 06:39, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's not that the Robinson/Armagost grammar is bad, but it's just a summary statement and superceded by Charney's grammar. For a summary it's good, but Charney's is the full description. As a note, Robinson didn't ever really understand Comanche phonology, so the dictionary portion is only really usable by someone who has experience in the other Central Numic languages or in Comanche specifically. The grammar sketch was written by Armagost and he understands Comanche structure quite well. (Taivo (talk) 07:01, 18 February 2010 (UTC))[reply]

Nʉmʉ Tekwapʉ

The actual phonetics of this name for the language have changed over the past couple of decades. Originally Nʉmʉrekwapʉ (final vowel underlined, but I don't know how to do that in Wikipedia), Nʉmʉ was an incorporated noun and the /t/ of tekwapʉ lenited to [r] normally. In the Robinson and Armagost dictionary (1990) it was written as two words, and the initial /t/ still lenited. But in the most recent Comanche dictionary from the Comanche Language and Cultural Preservation Committee (2010), it is written as two words, but the initial /t/ is not lenited. This indicates that the Nʉmʉ has been reanalyzed as a possessive, which would block lenition on a following /p/ or /t/. --Taivo (talk) 17:21, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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