Talk:Colonel Moran/Archive 1

Archive 1

Nit picking

Colonel Sebastian Moran was first mentioned in the Valley of Fear, although his first appearance was in The Empty House — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lunchworthy (talk • contribs) 20:44, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

As to the comment about him appearing only in one story, he also at leased mentioned in His Last Bow and The Adventure of the Illustrious Client. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lunchworthy (talk • contribs) 20:46, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Moran can't have been first mentioned in The Valley of Fear, because that was published a decade after The Empty House.

The article already says that Moran is mentioned in His Last Bow and The Adventure of the Illustrious Client. — Paul A (talk) 01:28, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Untitled

I have attempted to distinguish between the information that is according to Doyle, and what was added later by other authors. I am not very familiar with George Macdonald Fraser's work, though - and, for that matter, it's been a while since I last read "The Empty House" - so it would be appreciated if anyone can pick up on such errors or overlookings as I may have made. --Paul A 08:10, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Is this guy really worthy of his own article?

He only appears in one story, and a short story at that. Even Moriarty eventually got his own novel. Serendi^podous 23:41, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

I'd say that he probably does deserve an article, since (as Adler has) his character has been expended heavily in adaptations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.98.245.55 (talk) 03:17, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Sebastian Moran in Sherlock

I have started this discussion section to hash out the issue involving Moran's potential appearance in the next season of Sherlock.

Here is the issue as I understand it: We have an anonymous editor claiming that Craig Parkinson has been cast as Moran in the next season of Sherlock, but so far nobody has turned up a verifiable source supporting this claim. There has been a lot of reverting going on, which has constituted most of the activity on the article for the past week.

I am disappointed in all the people involved in the revert war, on both sides; one of you should have brought this to the talk page long since.

To the editor making the casting claim: What are your sources? Bear in mind that they need to be verifiable – that is, it must be possible for other editors to seek them out and see that they say what you claim they say. "Somebody said it at the BAFTAs" is not a verifiable source; if you can point out a publicly available record of somebody saying it at the BAFTAs, that would be. "MDI website" is not a verifiable source, because it's insufficiently detailed: you need to give the address of the website, and preferably of the specific page that supports your claim.

To everybody involved: Edit warring can get you blocked. Don't do it.

— Paul A (talk) 02:30, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

I've just handed out a bunch of temporary blocks to the anonymous IPs who have been carrying on the edit war over the last few days. I realise that only one of you actually stepped over the line in the sand after I drew it, but all of you have been at least jostling it recently. Please take this opportunity to look at your life and consider your choices. — Paul A (talk) 09:46, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

I apologise for the continued removal of comments, however I hardly ever edit Wikipedia and was unaware this page existed for such a purpose. It's not at all obvious on the edits page that this page is even here for any discussion and I tried searching twice on the help pages for some way to resolve this but nothing on there was clear or helpful about such a matter either. Anyway, the reason I and least one other person have been having to keep removing comments is because the person (or people) who keeps adding the statements about Sherlock series 3 and Craig Parkinson playing Moran (as well as sometimes claims about the source of this information and details about the character's portrayal in Sherlock (the reference to "Jim Moriarty's loyal sniper") is simply lying. Someone, probably them, also keeps editing Craig Parkinson's page to say he's playing Moran there as well when it's no more than a group of fans casting the role with their dream actor. All there was said officially regarding this topic in series 3 of Sherlock was I believe some brief comment by the creators that they will do an episode inspired by The Adventure of the Empty House. The character's appearance however has NOT been confirmed, nor his role; the actor playing the character has certainly NOT been confirmed. The person who keeps adding this false information also can't even get their (fake) sources straight, claiming it came from the BAFTAs, then that it's the "MDI" website, then "MBI". They actually mean IMDB (the reference link they added at one point was a link to the main Sherlock page on IMDB), where in fact there is nothing at all about episode titles for Sherlock series 3 or the character of Moran in the series or Craig Parkinson playing the character on there (or any other website), because that's all made up. The information is false and is misleading to some fans of the show who think if it's on Wikipedia it's automatically true (I have already seen multiple people say this), and I also think it's very disrespectful to Craig Parkinson himself to have someone keep on deliberately spreading lies about him, causing people to further pester him about a role he will probably never play. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.10.57.249 (talk) 12:56, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Now the page has been changed again with something that is not relevant. Just because some of the fans ("Craig Parkinson is the actor chosen by the fans of the show" - this implies it's all fans; well have you asked every single fan? Because there are countless other fan choices so it is certainly not all of them) want a particular actor in a role does not mean this warrants a place on a site that is about factual information. You may as well post information about every single actor that's ever been fancast in any role, or every single rumour about such and such an actor playing a role. This is ridiculous, it's just silly propaganda and fans hoping an actor will play a role when probably he never will, not relevant information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.10.57.249 (talk) 21:49, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 June 2012

Some fans are being awfully childish by removing the following information (Simply because they want another actor to be in the part):

After a small hiatus, Mark Gatiss, the co-writer of the BBC show, Sherlock, announced that he started writing the script for the new episode of the third season based on the Empty House story by Sir Conan Doyle. Craig Parkinson is the actor chosen by the fans of the show to play as Jim Moriarty's loyal sniper, Sebastian Moran. They created among many, many tumblers, a twitter petition named “believeincparks” – a movement so that Sebastian Moran would be played as Craig Parkinson. Hopefully the creators of the show, Moffat and Gatiss, will take their fans in consideration and pick him to play the part.

please let me re-add this information and stop this vandals from removing it over and over again

Gallenghar (talk) 18:32, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Not done: requests for changes to the page protection level should be made at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Mdann52 (talk) 15:10, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Moriarty and Moran were inspired by Conan Doyle's friends John O'Connor Power and John O'Connor MP KC. Both were senior members of the Supreme Council of the Irish Republican Brotherhood. Moriarty represents the Fenian threat at the heart of the British Empire. See 'Moriarty Unmasked: Conan Doyle and an Anglo-Irish Quarrel', Jane Stanford, Carrowmore, 2017. Available on Amazon UK. Doyle's closest friends were members of the Irish community in London, literary and political giants. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maelfreda (talk • contribs) 08:02, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Calendric Chaos

   I shan't apologize for my bold edit: I made an educated guess that a 'graph that, in the course of a sentence or of 2 consecutive ones, made mentions, in quick succession, of three years in the late 19th c., was referring to the years of fictional events in the Doyle corpus. I did so, in spite of the fact that the first-mentioned date lay in a phrase whose utterance by a competant and responsible author, writing for immediate publication in a work with pretensions of reliability, would have avoided. Specifically, it juxtaposed the first date and the title of the story in one clause, then juxtaposed two more with acts of one or more acts by (a?) fictional char(s?); i judged that the dates were all of the same realm (in-story time) and that the close syntactic association of the first date with the story's title was simple recklessness by a low-skilled or casual writer, and added an explicit association between the date and the plot. My tools compel me to get this down with reasonable clarity, and safely saved on the server, before checking the validity of the foregoing acct by a close and repeatable examination, to which task i now repair. Yr lordships' most humble & ob'd't servant, Jerzy•t. Given this day, 11:18, 3 July 2018 (UTC).

Article name

Currently this article is titled "Sebastian Moran", but it seems to me that the character is usually known as "Colonel Sebastian Moran" or just "Colonel Moran", similar to how James Moriarty is known as "Professor Moriarty" and John Watson is known as "Dr. Watson". I propose renaming/moving this article to "Colonel Moran". Miles26 (talk) 03:07, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

The move has been done and the article is now titled "Colonel Moran". Miles26 (talk) 22:24, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Terror by night

Moran appears as a mathematician and the main villain in the 1946 Basil Rathbone film Terror by Night, played by Alan Mowbray.

If I’m not mistaken, Moran is NOT a mathematician here: the mathematician is another character. 62.98.147.255 (talk) 11:01, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

At one point in the film, Holmes says that Moran studies mathematics as a hobby, so Moran is to some extent a mathematician in addition to that other character who is also a mathematician, though I think this is a minor detail. Moran is primarily a jewel thief in the film, so I will change the description from mathematician to jewel thief. Miles26 (talk) 22:55, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, you're right. Well done. Thank you. 62.98.147.255 (talk) 21:14, 5 May 2020 (UTC)