Talk:Colobopsis saundersi

This article was nominated for deletion on 26 September 2009 (UTC). The result of the discussion was speedy keep.

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Why delete content from the article?

The nominator for the article's deletion has attempted to wipe out all but one sentence of the article. I would like a reason why. I undid the apparent vandalism. Dream Focus 20:13, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

9 google news hits, including Deseret News, Daily Star.
18 google books including several text books.
13 scholarly hits.

Ikip (talk) 20:20, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Poison and glue

Reading some of the online information on these ants it seems that some expel poisons and others glue. It would be nice to get a ant specialist in here, or some offline information. pablo_hablo. 20:51, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, and the reference "Animal behavior: an introduction to behavioral mechanisms, development" books says that the ant which shoots glue is "related to Camponotus saundersi" So it may need to be removed. Ikip (talk) 20:58, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Common name?

What is the common name for this ant? I suspect if we knew the common name instead of just the scientific name, we could find hundreds of more sources. Ikip (talk) 20:58, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ikip (talk) 21:01, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

They are a subspecies of Carpenter ant, which is the likely merge target if it goes that way. Interestingly there are products on the market whose purpose is specifically to explode carpenter ants. Sugar and sodium bicarbonate works too. pablo_hablo. 21:06, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds fun. Joe Chill (talk) 21:18, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I merged all the material into Carpenter ant, now the exploding ant section is the most well referenced section in that article. If anyone feels this should be a separate article, you are welcome to revert. But please add to the Carpenter_ant#Exploding_ants section. Ikip (talk) 21:54, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think it unbalances the Carpenter ant article a bit - probably needs its own article. Either that or we could maybe expand & reference the other sections of Carpenter ant! pablo_hablo. 21:57, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I think two articles is preferable. Also, yyou can't just copy material from one article to another, as that breaks our licensing agreement. You have to follow the instructions at Help:Merge, which include documenting the merge in the edit summaries otherwise it looks like you wrote all that content yourself. --ThaddeusB (talk) 23:39, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Edit suggestions

I think that it would be useful to include that the ants adapted to the autothysis defense because it was more useful than other defense mechanisms (like stings) for defending the territory as a whole^[1]. I also think that it should be noted that the products from the mandibular glands work more effectively against arthropods than deterring vertebrate predators because of the stickiness of the substance,^[2] and that deterring vertebrate predators is a possible function of autothysis because the chemicals are inedible should definitely be added to the article. ^[3]

Eisel.17 (talk) 19:57, 1 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Jones, T.H.; Clark, D.A.; Edwards, A.A.; Davidson, D.W.; Spande, T.F.; Snelling, R.R. (2004). "The Chemistry of Exploding Ants, Camponotus Spp. (Cylindricus Complex)". Journal of Chemical Ecology. 30 (8): 1479–1492.
^ Jones, T.H.; Clark, D.A.; Edwards, A.A.; Davidson, D.W.; Spande, T.F.; Snelling, R.R. (2004). "The Chemistry of Exploding Ants, Camponotus Spp. (Cylindricus Complex)". Journal of Chemical Ecology. 30 (8): 1479–1492.
^ Shorter, J.R.; Rueppell, O. (2012). "A Review on Self-Destructive Defense Behaviors in Social Insects". Insecte Sociaux. 59 (1): 1–10.

[1] Jones, T.H.; Clark, D.A.; Edwards, A.A.; Davidson, D.W.; Spande, T.F.; Snelling, R.R. (2004). "The Chemistry of Exploding Ants, Camponotus Spp. (Cylindricus Complex)". Journal of Chemical Ecology. 30 (8): 1479–1492.

[2] Jones, T.H.; Clark, D.A.; Edwards, A.A.; Davidson, D.W.; Spande, T.F.; Snelling, R.R. (2004). "The Chemistry of Exploding Ants, Camponotus Spp. (Cylindricus Complex)". Journal of Chemical Ecology. 30 (8): 1479–1492.

[3] Shorter, J.R.; Rueppell, O. (2012). "A Review on Self-Destructive Defense Behaviors in Social Insects". Insecte Sociaux. 59 (1): 1–10.

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