Talk:Colleges of Durham University

A fact from Colleges of Durham University appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 22 December 2006. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that King's College in Newcastle-upon-Tyne left Durham University in 1963 to form the new Newcastle University, following a narrowly defeated proposal to rename the university the "University of Durham and Newcastle" in 1952?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2006/December.

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Merge

Cleaning up the main Durham article and creating some subpage so would be best to keep all the info on the colleges on one page.Allialliw (talk) 23:44, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Graduate Society and Ustinov College

I've asked this question on Ustinov's discussion page and had no reply:

I read with interest that the Graduate Society became Ustinov College - I accept that the Society lead to Ustinov College in some way but it can't have become it since the graduate society still exists - a quick check of postgrad passlists on the DU website shows that they are still awarding masters degrees to members of the society for instance.--Teach46 (talk) 09:59, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Anyone able to answer please? I see that Ustinov's prospectus does support this but doesn't explain how the Graduate Society still exists.--Teach46 (talk) 07:36, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Answered it myself - the currect non-Ustinov post-grads are listed as Graduate School not Society!--Teach46 (talk) 07:58, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Listed bodies

I made a comment on the main Durham University page about the "listed bodies" sentence, suggesting a change to the explanation of why the colleges are considered listed bodies. The wording on that page has subsequently been changed (thanks for that), but can we bring this page in line as well with a similar change? For background, here's what I wrote in the talk page for Durham University:

There are currently a couple of sentences explaining that Durham's colleges are listed bodies, as given in the Education (Listed Bodies) (England) Order 2013. While it's true that the colleges are indeed listed bodies, I feel the justification currently given is misleading and could be clarified.

The "Explanatory Note" of the Order (http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2013/2993/pdfs/uksi_20132993_en.pdf) states two ways a body can be a "listed body":

(a) if it provides "a course which is in preparation for a degree to be granted by such a recognised body and is approved by or on behalf of that body",

or

(b) if it is "a constituent college, school, hall or other institution of a university which is such a recognised body".

In the case of Durham's colleges (and presumably those of Cambridge and Oxford as well), the reason they're listed bodies is that they satisfy (b), rather than (a). However, the current wording on the page is more along the lines of (a): "being able to offer courses leading to a degree of a recognised body". Can the wording be changed to reflect (b) rather than (a)? Something like this might do:

"Durham operates a collegiate structure similar to that of the University of Oxford and the University of Cambridge, in that all the colleges at Durham, being constituent colleges of a 'recognised body', are 'listed bodies' in the Education (Listed Bodies) (England) Order 2013 made under the Education Reform Act, 1988. The 'recognised body' in this case is Durham University."

The sentence beginning "This means ..." could then be removed.

Paulbuckingham (talk) 02:02, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This sounds sensible - the earlier text appears to be a misunderstanding. Robminchin (talk) 21:35, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Robminchin. Change made. Paulbuckingham (talk) 00:10, 8 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Ustinov location

Ustinov is still listed as being a "hill" college, despite more being in Sheraton Park. It seems to me that, like Hild Bede, Ustinov now falls outside the hill–bailey classification and should probably be noted as "Sheraton Park", just like Hild Bede is down as Gilesgate. Robminchin (talk) 19:32, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Affiliated to the University"

@Acjones49: I'm not very convinced by the new 'Affiliated to the University' column, which seems to be being used to represent some very different things.

St Aidan's: when it ceased to be a Society and became a College
St Hild and St Bede: when it ceased to be a Recognised College and became a Council College
St Chad's and St John's: when they ceased to be Recognised Halls and became Recognised Colleges
For St Mary's: when it ceased to be a Hostel and became a College
For St Cuthbert's Society: when the Society got its first university-appointed principal

In all cases they had an affiliation to the university before this point. (Hatfield College, incidentally, stopped being a Hall and became a College in 1919, while Ustinov stopped being a Society and became a College in 2003, but this isn't mentioned.)

I'm not convinced that a column being used for such wildly different meanings - particularly being used for one college to mean when it *started* being a Recognised College, and for another to mean when it *stopped* being a Recognised College - is very useful. I'd suggest it would be better to put these subtleties into the notes column, rather than trying to wedge them all into one confusingly-named column. TSP (talk) 00:38, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. It's particularly confusing as 'affiliated' has a specific meaning wrt affiliated colleges, which doesn't apply to any of these. Robminchin (talk) 01:37, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]