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"Bro-country" Label

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Please stop changing the genre label for this artist to "bro-country." Bro-country is not an official term...it's more of a slang created by the media to describe a type of music they don't like. The Cambridge-proposed definition has not yet been added to the English language as it has not demonstrated longevity. Furthermore, while artists may not mind the label, there is no official documentation that the artists as a whole consider themselves to be "bro-country." For example, Cole Swindell has released a variety of different songs, some of which do not remotely match the lyrical qualifications generally considered to be bro-country. No artist or label ever identifies as "bro-country" entirely. It's more of an informal term. Wikipedia is supposed to be a factual, unbiased encyclopedia, not a place where informal, cultural slang terms are presented as solid labels. Let's just keep the genre labels as "country" until further discussion has been had and a consensus on this has been reached, please!--The Midnight Murk (talk) 05:58, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That is all irrelevant. Completely and utterly irrelevant. The fact that you don't like it doesn't make it not so. There are plenty of sources that use the term; plenty of sources that describe these artists using that term. The artist's (or their label's) "intent" has nothing to do with it at all. All that matters for us is whether reliable sources describe them as such...and they do.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 06:05, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You are putting words in my mouth. I never said that I didn't like the label. The artist's intent has everything to do with the classification that should be used. You are citing news articles/editorials that use the term informally. The media has assigned this label to artists like Cole. He does not consider his music to be bro-country, and since he's the one recording and releasing the music, the genre classification should be based on what he considers his own music, not what the media has informally dubbed it. How is the artist's opinion of his own music "completely and utterly irrelevant?" Furthermore, you are assigning a specific label to an artist who has released a variety of songs. Songs like "Ain't Worth the Whiskey" and "I Just Want You" are clearly NOT bro-country, so it does not make sense to classify Cole Swindell as a whole as "bro-country."

If you want to compromise on this issue, maybe we could talk about a solution similar to what has been done on the Luke Bryan page. --The Midnight Murk (talk) 06:14, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The artist's opinion of his own work is what we call a WP:PRIMARY source, we are an encyclopedia, not an outlet for the artist's opinions (I'm sure the artist also thinks his music is "great" but we wouldn't write that simply because it's the artist's view of his own work). We rely on WP:SECONDARY sources, i.e. what the media and other resources say about them. You are making my argument for me: "The media has assigned this label to artists like Cole", then that is the label we not only should use, but are bound to use by WP policy. Now, that having been said, I agree that some of his songs definitely aren't in the bro-country vein. The compromise you suggest is actually what I intended to do in my last edit, but I hit "save" instead of "show preview" by mistake. More information is better for the reader. "Country" has grown into such a huge genre with so many sub-genres such as outlaw country, bro-country, country pop, country rock, the "hat acts" of the 90's, the "island" sound (Buffet-influenced Kenny Chesney, Zac Brown kinda stuff), alt country, etc. etc., that just putting "Country" in the infobox really doesn't tell the reader much, other than they're not Rock or R&B or Rap (unless it's Colt Ford). Luke Bryan's page is a good example of listing the overall genre, "Country", and then the various (and sourced) sub genres. So yes, your suggested compromise is not only adequate, but preferable.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 06:52, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I should say that I recognize and appreciate your willingness to compromise and that I did not mean to "put words into your mouth" (well actually at the time, I did, but shouldn't have). That wasn't very constructive on my part and I have struck that part of my response above. I do apologize.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 07:00, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Ashland ky

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Are you engaged to be married?

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When are you getting married? 2601:985:8101:AFF0:55A6:93B6:F82:6CEE (talk) 01:19, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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