Talk:Coin Coin Chapter Four: Memphis

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Did you know... that Matana Roberts explores "her identity as an African American woman" on the album Coin Coin Chapter Four: Memphis?

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The result was: promoted by MeegsC (talk) 12:07, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Matana Roberts explores "her identity as an African American woman" on Coin Coin Chapter Four: Memphis? Quote: Roberts interrogates ... her family's stories, and her identity as an African American woman
- ALT1:... that Coin Coin Chapter Four: Memphis is "impossible" to listen to in the background? Quote: It wouldn’t just be inappropriate to listen to Coin Coin Memphis casually, while playing a video game or doodling in the background, it would be impossible, so arresting and bracing is the experience

Created by Mcguy15 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:41, 24 June 2021 (UTC).[reply]

Article is new enough, long enough (barely after subtracting quoted material), and within policy. This is Mcguy15's 2nd DYK nomination, so no QPQ is required. Either hook could be used, and they are both supported by sources with inline citations. One minor quibble of semantics which does not hold up approval: I suggest using the phrasing "within Coin Coin Chapter Four: Memphis" instead of "on Coin Coin Chapter Four: Memphis" in hook 1, but that is just personal preference.4meter4 (talk) 18:58, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mcguy15, One more quibble, this primary source to the record label: https://cstrecords.com/products/matana-roberts-coin-coin-chapter-four-memphis should be swapped out to other sources where possible because it's selling the album. I don't see it being much of a problem because most of the content being cited to that source is in other independent references cited elsewhere or at Discogs (see https://www.discogs.com/Matana-Roberts-Coin-Coin-Chapter-Four-Memphis/release/14240185). We should avoid using sources that sell materials per WP:VENDOR. Until that is fixed we can't promote the article. If there is content that isn't available elsewhere its probably ok to use in a limited way. 4meter4 (talk) 19:03, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@4meter4: Hi, thank you for the review! I don't really see a problem using a primary source just for the studio and some personnel. I couldn't find a secondary source for it, and Discogs is not a reliable source per WP:RSP (user generated content). I'm pretty sure no other source lists the studio and the mixing / mastering personnel, anyways. Here is QPQ anyways! — Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 20:23, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am going to go ahead and tick yes on this one, as the use of the source seems reasonable per policy at WP:VENDOR. However, it's possible a promoting admin may not agree. Either hook can be promoted.4meter4 (talk) 12:30, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mcguy15, I disagree with replacing "on" in your hook with "within", but I have added the words "the album" after "on" just to make it clearer what the hook is about. If that's not okay with you, please let me know. MeegsC (talk) 12:07, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]