Talk:Code pénal (France)

Numbering

As part of a review of my previous translation, it occurred to me to wonder how useful the numbering section is.

The change in the numbering system is significant because it allows the insertion of new material, ok. But most en-wikipedia readers will be more confused than not by the extended example in this section, I think, which seems to presuppose that the reader is looking at a copy of the code as he/she is reading. @Mathglot: -- do you have an opinion on this? Elinruby (talk) 14:24, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

@Elinruby: Tl;dr: meh, maybe more detailed than needed for most en-wiki readers, but now that you have it, it's worth keeping.

Sometimes when translating something from a given language which is tied to a given country, as this one is to France, or some of the technical points of Brazilian law related to OCW were, I think there's a different level or hierarchy of importance or interest among readers of the target language that is less than readers in the source language country; that is, readers from France or Brazil are naturally going to have a greater interest or tolerance for excruciating detail, where most readers from other locations may want a more summary level. (At the same time, the latter will need more explanation of basic context than the former, but that's a separate question.) Will anybody read all that detail about the numbering scheme? Who knows, but most English speakers would probably only need a summary of it. That said, now that it's done, I see no reason to remove it, as it's valuable detail, and that one guy who really needs that info will be pleased to find it. As the article expands, the proportion of it covered by that section will reduce correspondingly in size.

The one issue I'd add, which is a chronic problem with French sources, is the lack of sources there, which makes creating translated articles from French harder, because regardless of the verifiability standards (or lack thereof) at fr-wiki, we have our own standards, and that section would need citations (maybe one would cover the whole thing). My go-to reference to start with is Dalloz, and that's where I'd go first before hitting TWL and the search engines. Mathglot (talk) 18:55, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

nod, this is one of the translations I was talking about that I did earlier despite an overall sense that I didn't care enough about the concept to do them, except that there was a big void in the en-wiki coverage there. I reviewed several of these yesterday btw, and did not note any errors of fact*, although I did do some unFrenching and translation of a few instances of stray French such as "la" and "et". I'm out of here for just now, but of course you are right, and referencing this article will be a high priority when I come back to matters of French law. Elinruby (talk) 19:41, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

@Mathglot: Elinruby (talk) 19:46, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

^* apparently Tribunal correctionnel had quite a few, or at least several people thought so. Putting it on my list after references for this one. Resolutely ending my current wiki binge here for now tho. Elinruby (talk) 20:42, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

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