Talk:Cocomelon

A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion:

• Screenshot 20190508-163841 YouTube.jpg

You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. —Community Tech bot (talk) 05:36, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Reasons against CoCoMelon Deletion

User 2yechan was hired by Treasure Studio Inc, the parent company for CoCoMelon. The user has been instructed to write information regarding the history of CoCoMelon company, which does not have much media presence outside of YouTube. The CoCoMelon Wikipedia page is a young work in progress, and current lack of sources does not justify grounds for deletion. All video screenshots are justified by fair use. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.169.226.132 (talk) 20:26, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

The monetary incentives will not compromise the neutrality of the subject, I hope. Leather Daddy Lenin (talk) 13:59, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Vice article

I removed the following, as the source actually said, "But not all of kids YouTube is a hellscape" and referred to Cocomelon in the context of the not-hellscape part of YouTube. The article raised concerns about weird recommendations being presented to kids, but that's an issue with kids using YouTube in general. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 05:04, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Vice called the "mass-created animation" that channels such as Cocomelon and other channels like make a part of a YouTube "hellscape".

References

Why I trimmed the lede

I trimmed out much of the controversy, including the sentence that was in the lede. I cannot get to the WSJ article, but the Wired article is not calling out this channel specifically, but rather children's music videos in general, and I felt that it was unfair of us to imply that there is something about Cocomelon in particular that is problematic. —Soap— 22:15, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

comment on vandalism

Since June 1 2020 there has been an increase in vandalism on this page, but there have been good IP edits as well .... for example, the person who introduced the information about Netflix did so as an IP, and so I believe the page is best left open to IP editing for the time being. Hopefully the meme will wear itself out soon. —Soap— 02:21, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Episode list

Hi folks,

I think a lot of parents would benefit from a list of cocomelon episodes on Netflix with a list of what songs appear in what order. Our little one asks for specific songs all the time and it would be nice not to have to switch to YouTube every time, or skip around looking for them.

I'll ping the company and ask if they have a listing, but I super don't have the time and energy to transfer that info into a well-formatted episode list section... Dmurring (talk) 03:02, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

subscribers

SocialBlade now, for the first time, places Cocomelon above PewDiePie in subscriber count, but Im not sure that this is real, since it's not clear that YouTube's back end is providing anything other than the rounded estimate of 109 million. Even if a third-party publishes a story now saying that Cocomelon has in fact crossed over to 2nd place, I want to wait until we can see either an exact subscriber count (which I dont think is possible) or one of the channels, presumably Cocomelon, reaching 110 million so that it will be indisputable. —Soap— 14:32, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

"Checkgate" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Checkgate. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 30#Checkgate until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 17:45, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 July 2021

2600:100A:B128:35DF:E1D1:9384:3A0C:9D5F (talk) 20:20, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi please put this series onto the Cartoonito category. 2600:100A:B128:35DF:E1D1:9384:3A0C:9D5F (talk) 20:20, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:27, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Request to change Cocomelon to CoComelon and add content

Hi, this is Eloise. I have some basic requests for this page that I hope Soap will be able to implement.

1. Throughout the article CoComelon is written incorrectly, with a lower-case 'c' in the middle of the name. The correct way to write the name is CoComelon, with two upper-case 'C's. Using the search function "Ctrl"+F you should be able to find all the instances where CoComelon needs to be changed.
2. In the Intro section the second sentence should begin with "CoComelon is an animated musical children's series that specializes in 3D animation videos..."
3. Please add the following as the last sentence of the Intro section: " On Netflix CoComelon was among the top ten of all Netflix shows, including shows for adults, for the year ending in August 2021. "
4. In the first paragraph of the "Content" section, please add the following to the beginning of the first sentence: "CoComelon's educational videos use songs to teach children and include children, adults, and animals..."
5. Please add the following as the second sentence to the first paragraph of the "Content" section: "The series is focused on a young boy named JJ, his family, and their everyday activities, such as eating vegetables, and attending school. "

References

Thanks so much for all your help. Eloise Moonbug (talk) 10:46, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Im sorry, I dont feel comfortable doing these edits ... and Im not sure I have a good way to word what I want to say.

I noticed a while back that you've been editing articles directly lately, and hoped that you'd be able to do likewise with edits in general, but the fact that you present this as a request while editing the other pages directly leads me to think there may be something different about this request I was missing at first. While I didnt see anything wrong with the edit at first, looking at it more closely I can see two things that could be a problem ....

1. The letter casing of the name of the channel should be consistent within the article, but could create a headache for Wikipedia editors as much of the editing on this article will revolve around correcting people who type out the name in standard letter casing, as that is what they may feel the proper spelling is; at least for now, the YouTube channel still uses the spelling Cocomelon with a lowercase c. Im actually not sure what Wikipedia policy is on this, if there is one ... Im trying to think of another company with an internal capital letter in its logo that isnt a separate word to see if there is a precedent to follow.
2. The rest of the edit seems like a very close paraphrase of the audio interview.

Im not sure what else to say .... if the edit were not controversial, i would expect you'd have been comfortable making it directly, ... that implies that this edit is controversial, so Im not comfortable signing off on it myself. Im sorry I cant say more. —Soap— 22:30, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: Denied. My reasons for declining this ER are the same as Soap's. Quetstar (talk) 13:51, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi Soap. I understand your concerns about implementing my requests. Please allow me to politely address each one of your concerns, and hopefully you will see that my requests are in good faith and will ultimately improve the article.

• You are correct that the title of the YouTube channel has not yet changed to CoComelon, but that is for technical reasons, and it is spelled with two capital Cs in all other official places. Note as well that our logo has two capital Cs, and most reliable sources about CoComelon use this style.

• Regarding my direct editing, I have limited it to extremely minor changes, such as updating the Moonbug Entertainment infobox, adding a logo or a link, fixing grammar and removing erroneous content. Whenever my desired changes have gone beyond those categories, I have put them in an edit request – not because they are necessarily controversial, but because they are not extremely minor.

• As far as the close paraphrasing goes, thanks for catching that. I re-wrote edits #3, #4 and #5 so they less resemble the original content. Since edit request #2 only adds a few words to the second sentence, I think it is probably OK as is. If you disagree, please change it to however you feel is the best construction.

• Here is an alternative phrasing of requested edit #3: CoComelon was one of Netflix's ten most popular shows among all programming, for the year ending in August 2021.

• Alternative phrasing for requested edit #4: Using music as a teaching tool, CoComelon's educational videos include adults, children and animals..."

• New version for edit request #5: The videos portray the everyday activities, like healthy eating and going to school, of a young boy named JJ, and his family.

Thanks again for all your help. I hope we can continue to work together pleasantly and productively in the future. Eloise Moonbug (talk) 10:13, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Soap, Hi there. It's been a while since we last spoke, and I saw that you're editing less actively these days. I wanted to just wrap up this one point, if you have a moment. How about adding the following to the first sentence of the article for now: "Cocomelon, stylized as CoComelon, is an American YouTube channel and streaming media show..."

If this is acceptable, I'd be happy to make the edit myself. Seeing as it's uncontroversial I would have done so already, but wanted to check with you since it relates to this previous discussion. Thanks again for all of your assistance, Eloise Moonbug (talk) 13:51, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

I support this change but I really, really, need to resign immediately and forever from this project and from all commitments outside the very narrow issue of the color-based {{weatherbox}} template editing and occasional minor edits that dont require me to read the full text of the Wikipedia page or to read a page linked from offsite. I'm glad I was able to help improve this article back in late 2019 when it was in trouble but I can no longer help. Best regards, —Soap— 13:09, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Soap, thank you for your help over the years. Best of luck with your future endeavors. Eloise Moonbug (talk) 17:01, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:

• Cocomelon-logo-watermelon.png

Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 13:22, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

oxford commas

so on 7/20/22 i edited to add an oxford comma but there were more missing oxford commas i didnt add but now the page is protected so can u add all needed oxford commas please? 24.115.255.37 (talk) 01:54, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 July 2024

2A02:8086:CAD:8600:40:1660:D6C0:4183 (talk) 10:06, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

You didn't provide any changes you wanted to make to the article.

This template must be followed by a complete and specific description of the request, that is, specify what text should be removed and a verbatim copy of the text that should replace it

-- MacAddct1984 ^{(talk | contribs)} 12:25, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

CoComelon Vegibugs

Now on baby tv 81.106.192.151 (talk) 16:17, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Moonbug overlink?

Does anyone else think Moonbug Entertainment is overlinked in this article? Danidamiobi (talk) 23:50, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Controversial Section

Recently there’s been a growing amount of controversy around the content that Cocomelon provides to children (toddler brainrot). Can there be such a section to spread awareness to the public? 142.161.167.175 (talk) 14:05, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

A "Reception" section, particularly considering the channel's vast popularity, seems warranted. Tsavage (talk) 18:21, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

I think one of the last edits this article currently needs is an additional section. There have been no reputable sources (as far as I can tell) covering any sort of recent controversy - how does it justify an added section? Tvfunhouse (talk) 21:57, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

A "Reception" section is pretty standard for media articles, and can cover a variety of reviews and commentary. Cocomelon has been discussed in mainstream RS news media. I started a Reception section with an RS review. Tsavage (talk) 00:31, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

My thoughts weren't so much that a reception section couldn't be necessary, just that its addition would not be justified by controversy (as stated by @142.161.167.175) and as such seemed like less of a priority when much of the current content & sections could stand to be revised and/or consolidated - like the single-sentence Merchandise section detailing a single Jazzwares line from four years ago. Tvfunhouse (talk) 02:43, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't think it's one or the other, the article can be under development in several areas at the same time. Cocomelon is quite a big topic, considering its sheer reach and human impact, It has also become a significant corporate endeavor, a budding mini-Disney. So I would expect quite a substantial article, covering many aspects, and that might take multiple editors over time. Or one editor putting in a fair number of hours.

Your clean up of the article read well, but I found it also reduced it to a sort Bloomberg business profile. I'll try to improve what's there and flesh it out as time permits. Meanwhile, leaving some sections in kind of stub form, waiting for more, is probably a good idea in this case. What do you think?

I took a real quick look for info on merchandise, and didn't immediately find much. But, they do say that expansion into merchandising and other ventures is part of their plan, that could be included -- they're not intending to remain "just a channel". So while it's arguable whether a Merchandise section is needed right now, I'd argue that it's a useful stub that will like as not have developments over the next months, not years.

And there is some more probing discussion of Cocomelon content, for example How CoComelon Captures Our Children’s Attention from a couple months ago in the New Yorker. I've only glance at it so far, it seems to be quite the in-depth piece. Tsavage (talk) 04:01, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

I can understand that my cleanup was undone for the sake of retaining some sources and info, though I'd also like to state that I wasn't removing anything simply for the sake of trimming the article down. The version of the article I copy edited was, arguably, bloated with trivia, YouTube links as sources, and (what felt like) an unneeded amount of subsections. I get that a major point of the project is that every article is an evolving work, but as a participant in this month's Copy Editing Drive, I figured I'd go ahead and "wipe the slate" of the article to some degree. It read like a Wiki Fandom article rather than one of a growing entertainment corporation, in my opinion.

In any case, I'm in favor of the article's expansion and cleanup. While I tried to take a "less is more" approach, I'm ultimately supportive of whatever you think benefits the article and will try to contribute as well. Tvfunhouse (talk) 14:47, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply! I tend to get involved in editing an article when I come to it looking to get a general idea about a subject that I don't know much or anything about, and the article is disappointing, a fail. That's exactly the case with Cocomelon, which I'd heard about recently in passing. Looking into it elsewhere, it seemed to be a generally bigger thing than I'd first imagined.

Anyhow, I found this 2020 piece from Bloomberg that goes into quite a bit of detail about the origins. And from reading non-RS stuff, like posts on reddit, I discovered that the current timeline subsection structure of "History" seems to make a lot of sense. It seems that the YT channel for the first years was only a parking place for a few demo videos for the real business of ThatsMeOnTV, which was a website-based novelty service where parents would send in a photo of their kid, and it would be incorporated in a 30 min or so animation on the alphabet, returned on DVD -- make your kid's face in an (educational) cartoon on DVD. I checked the actual site, no longer up, in the Wayback Machine. It needs sourcing, but that's an aspect that, if correct, is entirely missing from the article.

That said, I'm only going to plug away at it here and there. You may not be all that interested in Cocomelon, but if you plan to edit, a good collaborative way would be to make incremental changes. I'll freely make any (incremental) changes to whatever you or anyone else posts, and you do the same with my stuff. :) And discuss here as needed. Cheers. Tsavage (talk) 00:06, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Highlights CoComelon mini magazine

In July 2024, CoComelon and Highlights for Children released a new mini magazine for kids 1-4 called Highlights CoComelon Magazine. This should be added to the 2018-current section of the page and possibly linked to the Highlights Wikipedia page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highlights_(magazine) & https://www.anbmedia.com/news/2024/05/moonbug-cocomelon-highlights-mall-of-america-partners-2024/ for reference. 24.93.125.119 (talk) 16:03, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Error - can't fix due to locked page

"the Jeon's" (plural, i.e. the family members) should not have the apostrophe: please change to "the Jeons". 2A00:23C5:FE1C:3701:BDC1:47AD:61BB:811D (talk) 14:12, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

"Netflix Original Series" episode table

I removed a Netflix Original Series episode list table for several reasons:

1. Disproportionately prominent representation: A table listing titles and launch dates for only one of several Cocomelon series that appear on YouTube, Netflix, and other streamers makes the Netflix series seem more important. (see WP:PROPORTION)
2. Given point #1, this seems somewhat promotional for Netflix.
3. The same coverage given to all Cocomelon product on YouTube and Netflix alone would be a long list that would properly belong in its own article.
4. Unsourced: The section says, "In 2022, Netflix began airing Cocomelon as a Netflix Original." There is no source, and I've been unable to verify that statement (which also appears in the "History" section with a "citation needed" tag).

The article currently describes Cocomelon as a YouTube channel that has grown and massively diversified in recent years. Focusing so prominently on Netflix content before covering the YouTube channel in similar detail provides a distorted view.

Tsavage (talk) 17:46, 28 October 2024 (UTC)