Talk:Cobasna ammunition depot

Article's neutrality questionable due to sources.

Bullet points 7 and 8 use Western Alliance weasel words and sources to describe what happened.

7 "Moldova's separatist Transdniester claims 'drones seen, shots fired' near huge ammo depot". Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty. 27 April 2022.

8 "Possible 'false flag' attacks in separatist Moldovan region of Transnistria raises concerns Russia plans to expand conflict". Australian Broadcasting Corporation. 27 April 2022.

Unsubstantiated speculative western military propaganda generated by US Funded propaganda outfit in the first case and an alarmist 5 Eyes military alliance partner's MSM media stenographer in the second. 216.113.203.123 (talk) 20:40, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Barbaric fake false westoid anglo-saxon propaganda!!! This azov nazi ukronazi homoglobo jew elite always ruining everything!!! Super Ψ Dro 23:04, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Four years

Hello. I do not understand when you mean the move of the ammunition depot from Voznesensk to Cobasna took four years. Wouldn't it then have required to be located in Voznesensk in the first place? When would this have happened then? Super Ψ Dro 08:17, 27 May 2023 (UTC) Super Dromaeosaurus:(1) War ends. Tens or hundreds of thousands of tonnes of ammunition collected at various field sites. (2) Field sites consolidated - one of them probably the 1411 ACB at Voznesensk. There is nothing in the article or REGNUM to rule out the possibility that the last field camp of the 1411 ACB before 9 May 1945 was at Voznesensk. Tens or hundreds of thousands of tonnes of ammunition at Voznesensk. (3) General Staff looks at its invasion plans for Italy, Yugoslavia, and Turkey. Transport planners decide that a forward site is required. (4) 1411 ACB receives the order to move to Cobasna, without augmentation of personnel, with postwar reconstruction and demobilization demanding huge resources and tying up huge amounts of transport resources (with much more transport, US Armed Forces were using surplus bombers etc to try to get ppl home). So, very large amounts of ammunition at Voznesensk. Few resources. With limited resources, moving the ammunition took four years.

Does this explain the possibility that the last field camp of the 1411 ACB when it was following the frontline troops was at Voznesensk, but the move of all the ammunition took four years? Buckshot06 (talk) 08:27, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Category at 1411 ACB

This article, referring to a military unit, the 1411 ACB, is *not* at its proper unit designation. Correctly, this page should be at 1411th Artillery Ammunition Depot. But the whole world knows it as the Cobasna ammunition depot. Having the Mil Units category at the redirect means the correct unit designation is in the Category:Military units and formations of the Soviet Union; otherwise, we'd have the 'Cobasna ammunition depot' which is not correct - it has a number, and it was not always at Cobasna. Buckshot06 (talk) 08:36, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

"Cobasna ammunition depot" and "1411th Artillery Ammunition Depot" are the same thing. The article currently uses the first title because it is the WP:COMMONNAME, this is the primary policy for deciding the titles of articles. However, this article should also cover the periods of the ammunition depot before it was hosted in Cobasna. It is pointless to have the redirect categorized because the current designation is "not correct" when the article using it is anyways included in that category (a more specific one actually) anyway. Right now we're showing two separate entries for the same entity. Super Ψ Dro 08:47, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

None of the categories *this* article is in are subcategories of Category:Military units and formations of the Soviet Union. Installations, fixed sites; yes; moving formations; no. For the entire period of the Second World War, in addition, COMMONNAME for the 1411 ACB would have been 1411 ACB. Buckshot06 (talk) 08:59, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Transnistrian natives in Russian service

Dear Super Dromaeosaurus, you are the more native to the region and *you* reminded us in your edit summary that of course many of the OGRF personnel are Transnistrian natives. Can you explain why you think I would have an easier time identifying a suitable reference when *you* can access the local sources better, eg in Romanian? Buckshot06 (talk) 23:03, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

You could still find sources easily, likely in English, if you looked for them. I might add it myself later if I feel like it. I just don't feel enthutiastic of having to add bits of information that are not relevant (almost trivia) to the main topic of the article several times, with the alternative being that the article I wrote gets added information with grammar mistakes and unproper format, and tags. I try to maintain the articles I write but it's really tiring. Super Ψ Dro 15:46, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

My advice, re trying to maintain the articles *I* have started, and whether it's tiring? For my part I have (mostly) learnt to let them go. I've had FAs delisted, for that matter. Eventually one dies.. and the articles will go where they will.. Buckshot06 (talk) 20:33, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I recognize I have WP:OWNERSHIP problems and I am not sure how to deal with them. I have let go some articles on certain topic areas I am simply not interested in anymore (this is not one of them). Wikipedia being able to be edited by everyone is both an amazing thing and a terrible one. Super Ψ Dro 22:25, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

You have see I have made a wording change to avoid the use of "Russian" versus anything else, and to move it to the section that deals with the composition of the group. Adjustments welcome. I believe the size of the whole OGRF is usually reported at about 1,500, but are *all* of them guarding the depot? There's an Anti-Aircraft Rocket Regiment, for example.. Buckshot06 (talk) 04:32, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

"Amazing thing and a terrible one" - check the quote on my userpage, should you wish.. Buckshot06 (talk) 04:34, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

As far as I know they are stationed officially to defend the depot. The existence of an air defense regiment doesn't contradict that to me. I don't think it is useful to ask ourselves what their real aim is because it has probably been for 25 years to stay until Russia could get to Odesa and annex Transnistria. Nothing benevolent or good-faithed. Super Ψ Dro 08:19, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Worth considering that - I had never thought of that as their real aim. I didn't know Ref 1 had that 1,500 number. We will need to look up the issues of the Military Balance to confirm what their most up–to-date estimates are. I will look into that. Buckshot06 (talk) 08:52, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Hey Super D!! (1) Check out Adriana Lins de Albuquerque and Jakob Hedenskog, "Moldova: A Defence Sector Reform Assessment," Swedish Defence Research Establishment (that is, FOI), FOI-R--4350--SE, December 2016. Link is at https://www.foi.se/en/foi/reports/report-summary.html?reportNo=FOI-R--4350--SE

(2) Confirms your point re the land corridor above: https://sceeus.se/en/publications/strengthening-resilience-in-moldova-following-russias-invasion-of-ukraine/ Regards Buckshot06 (talk) 04:49, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Military Balance 2024 is available through WP:TWL. ..click onto "Taylor and Francis" and search "Military Balance" you will get a journal entitled "The Military Balance" Volume 124, 2024 - Issue 1; chapter four of which has a listing of assessed current total of Russian units, military equipment etc. Buckshot06 (talk) 13:06, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Military Balance 2024: 1,500 including 400 peacekeepers; 2 MR battalions; 7 Mi-24 "Hind"; some Mi-8 Hip (p.206). Buckshot06 (talk) 11:55, 27 July 2024 (UTC)