Talk:Coat of arms of Santiago de Compostela

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Did you know... that the coat of arms of Santiago de Compostela features a chalice and host from the Galician arms, as well as a star and the tomb of Saint James?

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The result was: promoted by Edge3 (talk) 15:13, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Traditional coat of arms of Santiago de Compostela

~~... that the Coat of arms of Santiago de Compostela features an image of the tomb of Saint James?~~Source: Código de la Administración Gallega (in Spanish). Netbiblo. 2007. ISBN 9788497450478.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bazzini
- Comment: If approved, could you please put this in the queue for July 25? Thank you.

Created by Evrik (talk). Self-nominated at 23:27, 16 June 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Coat of arms of Santiago de Compostela; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Date, size, hook, neutrality, QPQ, copyvio spotcheck, all GTG. Just one query about the image submited here with the caption "Traditional coat of arms of Santiago de Compostela". But the article has a different image for the caption, and the current image is described as a shield - and it looks different from the shield in the full coat of arm. Is there some terminology mismatch, or are there two or more shield variants, or...? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:53, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Piotrus: Shield, coat of arms, and Escutcheon are synonyms. I have edited both the article and this nomination to try and make them consistent. I struck the original hook. Here are some alternates.

Alt0a ... that the traditional Coat of arms of Santiago de Compostela features an image of the tomb of Saint James?
Alt1 ... that the traditional Coat of arms of Santiago de Compostela features an eight-pointed star and of the tomb of Saint James?
Alt2 ... that the Coat of arms of Santiago de Compostela features the chalice and host from the Galician arms, and images of a star and of the tomb of Saint James?
Alt3 ... that the Coat of arms of Santiago de Compostela features the chalice and host from the Galician arms, and images of a star and of the tomb of Saint James from their original arms?

Thanks. --evrik ^(talk) 14:49, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Evrik: Thanks. GTG with preference for ALT2/3 b/c I don't see the current article clearly differentiating between "Traditional" (historical?) and non-traditional(?) coats of arms. You may want to clarify how the coat of arms changed through history in the article further (a suggestion). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:02, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

FYI - I chose traditional when looking at the sources in Spanish. I imagine it could be worded differently. --evrik ^(talk) 20:06, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Evrik:

Why are there two coats of arms? (a "regulated" vs. a "traditional") I don't see support for this in the sources, but perhaps I missed it as I was reading very quickly.
Where did the English translation of the heraldic description come from?
What is citation #4 supposed to be supporting? I opened the link to Berry (1828), scrolled to page 177, and it's just an index.
Note 1 says "Sometimes the star is represented as a Star of David, with six points, while in others it is represented with eight points." What is the source?

Edge3 (talk) 16:47, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Edge3::

1. It seems that around 2002, the shield was codified. I have tried to just the language to make it less clumsy.
2. I made the translation.
3. The link seems to have gotten off. I fixed it I fixed it.
4. The source may be in Spanish, or Galician, I'm not readily finding it. I have commented out the note until I can come back and find something to substantiate it. --evrik ^(talk) 19:07, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to strike Alt1 because there is no source supporting that the star has eight points, and the star itself doesn't appear to be the most significant part of the design. I agree with the reviewer that Alts2/3 are better. Edge3 (talk) 15:12, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]