Talk:Coast Salish defensive sites

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This article was nominated for deletion on 26 December 2014. The result of the discussion was merge to Coast Salish peoples.

Comment

Meryre (talk) 06:53, 9 October 2008 (UTC) I helped with the excavation, so I thought I'd put what I know up here.[reply]

You should have read WP:MOS and WP:Notability first....Skookum1 (talk) 13:53, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps this article could be merged with Coast Salish. 69.90.50.237 (talk) 09:27, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Permission

As this is ongoing, unpublished research, please be careful about the types of information that get posted. If you do know the people involved, please ask permission prior to including potentially sensitive information.Arky1122 (talk) 19:46, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

On the recent conflict of interest tag

This is not a biased article, nor does it promote anything whatsoever. The articles cited are not even my own work and I have not contributed to them in any way; I was just a volunteer at the sites. At this point the article is merely a basic outline of archaeological work. I don't see why that tag was posted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.90.50.237 (talk) 09:20, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You're long-gone, it's now 2014; this subject does not meet WP:GNG and more than three cites would be needed. It has no purpose other than to promote the thesis in question, and its title is too vague, with too many possible meannings re major sites of all kinds, to have no utility in Wikipedia. And doesn't qualify as notable.Skookum1 (talk) 08:10, 26 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Coast Salish

Given that this apparently does not meet notability guidelines, I would request that someone with the know how perform a merging opperation with the article on the Coast Salish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Meryre (talk • contribs) 14:51, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Does this site have a name?

This sounds like an article about a specific group of archaeological sites. That would be a more useful name, if someone with the sources can come up with it. Djembayz (talk) 13:26, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It may be in the Sto:lo Atlas but that may have been published before this came out. "near the Fraser River Canyon" is awkward wording to me (it's just the Fraser Canyon) and that it's "at" Yale (where/?) isn't very helpful. The Sto:lo may have a word for the site. As far as a merge goes, there's no archaeology section on the Coast Salish article, and there isn't (yet) and Archaeology of British Columbia article, as you can see in Category:Archaeology_of_Canada though there are some for other provinces. This particular dig isn't notable in and of itself, and it doesn't even have a date or location on it. There are scads of similar papers and research, many much more notable like Bryan Hayden's "Coyote's Great House" quiggly village excavation at Keatley Creek about 15 miles upriver from Lillooet, and of course Xa:ytem and others. Most settlements are inherently "defensive sites" to start with; this title should only have stood if this was a survey article of many such sites, not just this one, which seems in a way to be promotional for this one thesis; I remember some press coverage about this, however fleetingly; fleeting because it's just not remarkable/notable.Skookum1 (talk) 18:40, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There's not all that much to merge, really just only the citation for the paper/thesis....and as noted previously, most village sites were defensive sites, and some were notably fortifications like the old Semiahmoo one on Mud Bay or Xwmelchsten (Capilano IR 5) or, for that matter, the Langley band's island "fortress" next to Fort Langley; the historical significance of the one in the lower canyon may have t o do with conflict with teh Nlaka'pamux, though the Spuzzum Band nearby were not enemies of those at Yale to Hope. At the same time, the Euclataws (Cape Mudge Band of Southern Kwakiutl). raided up teh river as far as this; but only since about 1800 and for a few decades......what I'm getting at is not even a section is worth it here, and there are other such sites; and "Coast Salish" is a pretty wide "scoop" too, maybe merge to Sto:lo would be better, hmmmm if anyone has the Sto:lo Atlas out there, that'd help as I don't have it handy here (I'm in Cambodia these days) but there's tons of more notable sites out there; whether fortifications of "transformer sites" ... which IMO are more important to cover, both culturally and archaeologically speaking.Skookum1 (talk) 07:00, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

without access to the specifics of the paper it's hard to know exactly where this was; "near Yale" doesn't help.....thought maybe a coord had been included but I see it hasn't; nor a location/landmark on the river...its one reason that article was NN/UNDUE.....the Semiahmoo fortification and others like it we know the specifics of.... even knowing what creek this is near, and how old the carbon dating is, would have been more useful than writing about archaeology techniques used.Skookum1 (talk) 07:33, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]