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I have deleted the following passage in the course of rewriting, not because Peter Mathias is not a respected economic historian, but because his work is evidently derived from other published sources. There is an enormous amount written on Coalbrookdale, mostly as a result of one author copying from another, and one cannot cite it everything.

Darby's initial ironworks cost £3,500 to establish, ^[1] and most of this funding came from fellow , such as the Champion and Goldney families, the majority of whom operated out of Bristol. ^[2] The railways of Coalbrookdale were also the first in the world to adopt iron rails; cast iron rails were first laid down between the ironworks and the nearby mines in 1767 to speed up the transit of horse-drawn coal and iron shipments. ^[3]

^ Peter Mathias, The First Industrial Nation, Routledge, pp. 113, ISBN: 9-780415-266727
^ Mathias, pp. 96
^ Mathias, pp. 254

Peterkingiron 11:19, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In rewriting, I have purposely not included anything on the arguments as to why coke-based metallurgy took so long to becoem established. I hope to publish an article revising the current view on this in coming months.

I have not yet expanded the 'Present day' paragraph, though I intend to do so. Foir this reason, I have not removed the 'stub' designation. However, if some one else would like to do this or write something on the place (other than as the site of an ironworks), that would be useful. It also occurs to me that I have so far failed to deal with copper smelting and the use of air furnaces. Peterkingiron 11:56, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have now completed what I intend to do to this article. In doing so, I have removed a section called 'Present day' and substituted one on the transition from the Coalbrookdale Works to the museum. I have concentrated on the works, but they do not occupy the whole Dale. Perhaps some one else would like to add more description of the valley. Peterkingiron 21:00, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The alteration of the link for rails from rail transportation to rail tracks by MacGyverMagic is no doubt right in principle. Unfortunately, however the history section there is a stub, where as in rail transportation and the separate history of rail transport there is a reasonably full treatment, particularly after I have expanded it tonight. If you think the link should be as you have changed it, please provide a fuller account there!

There now seem to be three separate articles covering the same ground. There is a need for some one to shoten the general articles and place the detailed material in one place. Peterkingiron 22:50, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Old Furnace

I think this section was originally a separate (and not very good) article. Sicne the furnace survives as part of the Museum, it is right that it should ahve its own section. I have substantially amended this section, and hope it is now better.

Nevertheless, I am not sure that the paragraph on products is in quite the right place, as it probably covers the products of both the blast furnaces and all the air furnaces. Peterkingiron 00:23, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Circumlocution

I have undone a recent alteration. Many people do associate the Iron bridge with the birth of the Industrial Revolution, but it is merely an icon of that, not the industrial revolution itself; hence the circumlocution is appropriate. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:31, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] Peter Mathias, The First Industrial Nation, Routledge, pp. 113, ISBN: 9-780415-266727

[2] Mathias, pp. 96

[3] Mathias, pp. 254

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