Talk:Clogau Gold Mine

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2007

I shall move this to Clogau Gold Mine as it is about the Gold Mines on the Clogau mountain. Inparticular the St Davids mine but there were others and info about them could go here.--Cynnydd 13:16, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Added some more info but not 100% sure of the opening date. --Cynnydd 14:09, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

March 2011

Moved from user talkspace

Yes, on Welsh gold and Clogau Gold Mine it looks like the user Pippa300489 has turned into Welshgolder judging by these edits [1] and [2] & has re introduced spammy links after the warnings to Pippa300489... Will invite a more experienced user(s) to pop over and have a look... Badgernet ₪ 13:42, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The site linked does promote itself on its pages, but that's what they're for. As they seem to be running the place now, I think it's a fair link. As to the change, I'll look further. Peridon (talk) 14:05, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the fact that my edits to the Clogau Gold Mine page have been removed for being 'unfactual and commercially motivated'. The link provided was a link to the 'About Clogau' page of Clogau Gold's website. This page contains information regarding the history of the Clogau gold mine, the association that Welsh gold has with the Royal family and other information that would be very interesting for viewers of this page! I have by no means falsified Welsh gold historical information by changing 'Gwynfynydd' to 'Clogau' due to the fact that it is common knowledge that Welsh gold from the Clogau mine has been donated in the past to the Royal family. This can be confirmed by contacting Clarence house, which I have done. Surely, if this is the case, isn't the person constantly changing this information back from 'Clogau' to 'Gwynfynydd' committing the same crime? If this is the case then either both names, or none at all, should be able to feature there. welshgolder (talk) 15:23, 29 March 2011(GMT)

That's why I would like a round the table at the Clogau talk page. Let's reach a consensus. Politely, too, please. Remember (or look at if you don't know it) WP:AGF. Peridon (talk) 15:59, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If I seem obsessive, it's because I have been fighting this same battle for honest information about Welsh gold since 1985,against increasingly great odds! Yes, Clogau gold has been used for previous Royal rings - no argument, though not by the present Clogau company, as stated recently by them. But the ingot presented to the Queen on her 60th birthday was given by the then Gwynfynydd mine owners, and I have been trying to upload a photo to wikipedia of this ingot, which is clearly stamped "Gwynfynydd". Incidentally, this was several years BEFORE the said Clogau company reactivated the mine, according to their own website, so it is hard to see how they could have present a gramme of gold in 1986, let alone a kilo.

PS. Oh and you are mistaken in thinking that that company now runs the Clogau mine. They were forced to relinquish the licence many years ago, even before they moved all their jweellery production from Wales to China. A new company, Midas Exploration now have the licence, but this fact also keeps being edited out of the Clogau Goldmine page. Crefftwr (talk) 22:11, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I would be happy to put my case in another shared forum. Crefftwr (talk) 22:06, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am fully aware of these issue - I am aware of the fact that Clogau no longer own the mine and manufacture overseas. Clogau Gold have only ever claimed that Welsh gold FROM the Clogau mine has been used to create Royal wedding rings, not that the gold is called Clogau gold. Whether or not Gwynfynydd have also contributed to the Royal Family's supplies is not their concern, they are a commercial business and are naturally going to promote their own Royal association and not someone else's. I cannot help the fact that the subsequent pages are comercially based, but the fact of the matter remains that the About Clogau page that I have been linking to provides very useful information regarding Welsh gold that will be of benefit to readers. Could we come to some sort of agreement to include both Clogau and Gwynfynydd information? welshgolder (talk) 10:05, 30 March 2011 (GMT)

It is the commercial website behind the “about” page [3], especially on Welsh gold, which is troubling, i.e. Links to web pages that primarily exist to sell products or services. Perhaps it would be possible to re-write some of the "About Clogau page" in the article? Badgernet ₪ 09:19, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have made a final edit to the page, including a small statement regarding the Clogau mine under 'Patronage' - can this be agreed on by Crefftwr? If so, we can both move on from this? welshgolder (talk) 10:19, 31 March 2011 (GMT)

I know of nothing to the contrary, so yes, sure. 82.152.250.200 (talk) 16:06, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dispute

I would invite Crefftwr, Welshgolder, Pippa300489 and Badgernet to get together on the talk page at Talk:Clogau Gold Mine to discuss the issue of current ownership/exploitation and possible promotion. Peridon (talk) 14:13, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to do so, for reasons stated above. Crefftwr (talk) 22:12, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the fact that my edits to the Clogau Gold Mine page have been removed for being 'unfactual and commercially motivated'. The link provided was a link to the 'About Clogau' page of Clogau Gold's website. This page contains information regarding the history of the Clogau gold mine, the association that Welsh gold has with the Royal family and other information that would be very interesting for viewers of this page! I have by no means falsified Welsh gold historical information by changing 'Gwynfynydd' to 'Clogau' due to the fact that it is common knowledge that Welsh gold from the Clogau mine has been donated in the past to the Royal family. This can be confirmed by contacting Clarence house, which I have done. Surely, if this is the case, isn't the person constantly changing this information back from 'Clogau' to 'Gwynfynydd' committing the same crime? If this is the case then either both names, or none at all, should be able to feature there. welshgolder (talk)15:29, 29 March 2011 (GMT)

If I seem obsessive, it's because I have been fighting this same battle for honest information about Welsh gold since 1985,against increasingly great odds! Yes, Clogau gold has been used for previous Royal rings - no argument -though not by the present Clogau company, as stated recently by them. But the ingot presented to the Queen on her 60th birthday was given by the then Gwynfynydd mine owners, and I have been trying to upload a photo to wikipedia of this ingot, which is clearly stamped "Gwynfynydd". Incidentally, this was several years BEFORE the said Clogau company reactivated the mine, according to their own website, so it is hard to see how they could have present a gramme of gold in 1986, let alone a kilo.

The Clogau mine licence is no longer in the hands of the jewellery manufacturing company of that same name, but has been granted to Midas Exploration - cf the link to their factual, non-selling website on this page. Yet their mention of this is constantly being edited out of the page. Why? Crefftwr (talk) 22:22, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have made a final edit to the page, including a small statement regarding the Clogau mine under 'Patronage' - can this be agreed on by Crefftwr? If so, we can both move on from this? welshgolder (talk) 10:19, 31 March 2011 (GMT)

I know of nothing to the contray, so yes, sure. 82.152.250.200 (talk) 16:10, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment What is needed is some reliable referencing as to the provenance of the kilo, the timing of the kilo, and a reliable source for the current holder of the licence. As I always say, not a blog, forum, company site, or LinkedIn or AboutUs (and similar). Without those, talk could go round in circles till the cows come home. Peridon (talk) 18:32, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Signing in Just to keep the records straight, could everyone please sign in before posting? Makes life so much easier. Thanks. Peridon (talk) 21:09, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]