Talk:Clinton Romesha

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February 27, 2013	Good article nominee	Listed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on February 11, 2013.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Clinton Romesha (pictured), who today is being awarded the Medal of Honor, joined the United States Army after deciding not to be a missionary for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

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Beth Ford Roth (11 February 2013). "Army Vet Clinton Romesha To Receive Medal of Honor Today (Video)". KPBS (TV). Retrieved 11 February 2013. The Romeshas and their three children now live in Minot, North Dakota, though the couple grew up in Northern California, according to Wikipedia.

Report published by U.S. Army historian Richard S. Lowry?

Why is there no citation and or link to the report published by Richard Lowry? If the entry is going to say "according to the report published by Richard Lowry" it seems that there should be a link to the report, or at the very least the name of the report.

DouglasCalvert (talk) 05:42, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can anyone find this report? A reference relayed it, but we would need to make sure it was a secondary source before we could include it. —Ed!^(talk) 21:36, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In another Richard Lowry article he references his entire story named "Incoming", that might be it. — - dain- talk 22:05, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Failure To Serve LDS Mission is Not Notable

I'm perplexed why it is necessary to mention decision NOT to serve LDS mission, especially in connection with 4 years of Seminary attendance. LDS Seminary is simply a high-school-level religion course of study that is offered "on the side" in various forms (or not at all) depending upon availability -- this might be confusing to some readers who do not realize that the use of the title "Seminary" does not imply some form of preparation for the professional ministry, like it does in some religious traditions. That many young men and young women take Seminary in high school but then do not subsequently serve missions makes mention of it rather non-notable. As if he took Spanish classes all four years and ended up studying Russian in college instead.

I propose to leave mention of his church affiliation in the article, but remove the reference to Seminary and not serving a mission.Cyberherbalist (talk) 19:05, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm somewhat ambivalent. That was the DYK hook for the article yesterday, but it's there primarily because it was one of the only early ideas we knew about Romesha following the announcement. —Ed!^(talk) 20:32, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's alright to leave in there seeing as that fact is one of the few details of his pre-military life. Just my .02 though.— - dain- talk 20:53, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The questions here proposed is WP:WEIGHT; as the content is verified. As such, I don't think one sentence is to much weight in an article where the primary focus is on the subject's military service. Therefore, I am in support of keeping the content.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 02:17, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Another issue is that he didn't contact his wife for four (4) days? This is absurd because I can recall a stretch of overseas service of 2 years and 7 months duration in which I made one (1) phone call home. People who served in Iraq and Afghanistan were used to emailing and phoning and Skype-ing all the time, but there are many millions of living veterans who did not have such conveniences.

Awards

Just curious but I noticed in the awards section he has devices on his campaign ribbons but in his pictures he doesn't have them. Any idea what's up with that?— - dain- talk 20:30, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Content verified through this reliable source; as for why the subject is not wearing all the devices he is authorized to wear, I do not know. ADM Thad Allen is known not to wear all his authorized medals, so the practice is not without precedent. Furthermore, there have been cases wear individuals have warn badges and medals when not authorized, such as this case with a 2LT wearing a SEAL badge, or what occured with ADM Jeremy Michael Boorda. Therefore, although images are often useful, they are not alawys the best reliable source all the time.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 21:15, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In the Air Force at least it's pretty common to see officers not wearing decorations at all unless they're in the most formal dress (ie, the coat jacket, in the example you mentioned the officer wasn't wearing his.) Enlisted men tend to take a different view, from my experience. Anyway, his jacket here should have the most up-to-date stuff, but Romesha himself might not know for sure; it's possible he was awarded decorations after he retired and didn't have the time or documentation to purchase those uniform items before this ceremony. If you have a more recent source noting decorations he's authorized, I say go with them. —Ed!^(talk) 21:41, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Good point with the "it's possible his units were awarded them after he separated" bit. All my unit awards I got ~2 years after they were awarded, i.e. my unit won outstanding in 2008 and I got it in 2010, etc. — - dain- talk 21:44, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict)Yeah, same prescedent takes place in the USAF as far as you aren't required to wear all your ribbons and such but most people do and when you don't everyone is like "wtf" (from my experience anyway.) I've never heard of people not wearing the right amount of devices though, meh. It's just rather interesting in that regard. — - dain- talk 21:41, 14 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Clinton Romesha/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Khazar2 (talk · contribs) 23:41, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll be glad to take this one. Review forthcoming in the next day or two. Thanks in advance for the work on this one! -- Khazar2 (talk) 23:41, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Initial readthrough

This appears excellent so far: strong prose, solidly sourced. I've made some minor changes per WP:OVERLINK and WP:REPEATLINK, and some very small changes for style and grammar. Please feel free to revert any you disagree with. I'll begin the checklist in a moment. -- Khazar2 (talk) 03:05, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Checklist

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	Prose is excellent; spotchecks show no evidence of copyright issues.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).
	2c. it contains no original research.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	Some additional detail could still be added, such as his biology degree from Pueblo Community Coll.[1](free version here), or perhaps a blurb from Panetta's remarks in awarding the medal.[2] But these details hardly count as a main aspect.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.
	7. Overall assessment.	Pass.

LaVor or Lovar ?

The official Medal of Honor webpage ways Lovar, but most internet hits is LaVor. I tend to believe the official page. Any thoughts? Staszek Lem (talk) 02:46, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I say what has more weight? I can see giving Lavor more weight as it is more official, than giving weight to a multitude of reliable sources who may not be as accurate.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 19:57, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal

Recently this medal was added, but the reliable source used to verify it does not list in the list of Romesha's medals. Can someone please provide reliable source(s) verifying that Romesha received this medal, otherwise it is subject to removal.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 19:57, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

An editor, 2001:7E8:C64F:1501:406:D1B9:F0F7:D5A0, added a DoD release as a reliable source. It does not verify that the subject of this article was awarded the Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal. Please provide a reliable source, otherwise it is subject to WP:BURDEN.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 11:10, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Separation

I have reverted unsourced edits by IP editors, removing the name of the spouse and vandalism of removing verified material from the Personal life section. The IP editor listed the subject as being separated from his spouse, but I cannot find any reliable source verifying that as fact.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:42, 30 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]