Talk:Cline (surname)
Everybody saying that Cline is not an Irish Surname - I respectfully request that you research a little more. When you say there is no evidence of the names origins coming from Ireland and that it is American, you are incorrect. I am a descendant of Bernard Cline from ballykilCline in Roscommon County Ireland. You can very easily google headstones in Roscommon from centuries ago bearing the Cline including traditional Celtic Crosses of large stature. Respectfully J. CLINE — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.96.226.71 (talk) 01:05, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
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(Linguistics)
[edit]Can the concept/term be applied in linguistics? --Dpr 08:39, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
- I would think it could - languages (more so before the advent of instant communication) tend to gradually and continuously change over both time and geographical axes. Applejuicefool 02:37, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
(Race)
[edit]NOTE - I have moved the "Cline instead of Race" discussion to the "Cline (population genetics)" article discussion. Thank you, Applejuicefool 02:33, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Differentiation
[edit]What about a differentiation page to allow people named "Cline" to be found from a search on "Cline"? Applejuicefool 20:33, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Ok, as you can see, I've made a few changes on this article. I basically made the "Cline" page into a disambig page to separate the type of clines you're referring to from people named Cline. Not being a population geneticist myself, I moved the stuff on here dealing with that to Cline (population genetics). Please check that article to make sure everything I moved there belongs there. Thank you, Applejuicefool 17:13, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Irish surname
[edit]Just wondering where this information comes from. Seems like an all inclusive statement, which I don't believe to be correct. Cline could be the Americanized version of Clyne, Klein, Kline, etc. If you have a source, please share, its my last name so I would like to know! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpcline004 (talk • contribs) 18:55, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
- I saw that someone changed the page, but this seems like original research... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.107.77.6 (talk) 16:42, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
- I agree that the article does not neccesarily cover all the bases, BUT the information provided is fairly accurate. There are only a very small number of "Cline" families which are related to "the Americanized version of the Jewish or German surname "Klein". The most widely recognized group is descended from the Hessian soldier, Peter Klein (Cline). A great deal of "Clines" incorrectly believe that they are part of this lineage. This is likely because the singer Patsy Cline(her first husband actually) came from said lineage, so most "Clines" assume (or mistakenly claim) relation to her-particularly in the Southern United States. Another likely reason for the confusion surrounding the surname is that "Cline" was, and still is, commonly mistaken for "Klein" when verbally spoken. To the general population there was no discernable difference between the two. So those who assimilated into American culture or lost touch with their heritage also assumed that "Cline" was indeed a spelling variation of the Jewish or German surname as well. In actuality, those Jews or Germans who "Americanized" their surnames more often translated their last name entirely to English, as opposed to simply changing the spelling. For instance, "Klein" often became the surnames, "Short" or "Little"-which is exactly what "Klein" means in Yiddish/German. If by chance only the spelling was changed (or misprinted), it was likely to "Kline" not "Cline". Remarkably some "Clines" even believe because they come from a Protestant background, that they somehow could not be of Irish heritage. Obviously there are Protestants from all parts of Ireland. Another explanation is a large number of immigrant Irish Catholic families converted over time-particularly those in rural areas. It is also imperative that one understands that these so called "genealogy" or "coat of arms" pages hardly ever perform any valid research of their own. They have many surnames in their databases and it would take decades to thoroughly research each one. This is a major cause of the perpetual onslaught of inaccurate information in my field. Each family has a unique history, I recommend researching your own in depth before making assumptions or accepting information that is potentially incorrect. You may be surprised by what you find. In the meantime, I will assist the author of the current "Cline" article in their accuracy. -Dr.K
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.126.96.236 (talk) 23:41, 30 April 2010
- You are using original research to support your point of view, both of which violated the purpose of wikipedia. If you really believe it is an Irish surname, write a website or book about it. This is not the place to do it. And the citations are to the same genealogy websites you are deriding. . 162.97.99.36 (talk) 16:48, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
- I don't simply just believe it, IT IS WITHOUT A DOUBT AN IRISH SURNAME. Did you even look at the provided links? As for using citations from genealogy websites, I obviously did not use any of the websites I was "deriding"-that would not have made much sense. I used ones that had somewhat factual information. You are forcing your point of view(for some odd reason) that Cline isn't an Irish surname so you must also be in violation. If the purpose of Wikipedia is to dispense FACTS I will continue to reprint this article (as written) until my last breath.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.126.96.236 (talk) 00:04, 1 May 2010
- Wikipedia is not an anarchy, but rather is founded on consensus and collegial editing; discussion of how you'll use your dying breath suggests a failure to grasp those aspects of our policy. Please cool your jets.
(And please sign your comments with
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Thanks!
--Jerzy•t 17:04, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
- No, it certainly isn't an anarchy, it seems it's a fascist's playground. I definitely will not cool my jets until my article is left alone. I may have gotten worked up but it's only because someone is trying to manipulate information to their liking which seems to be far more in violation of Wikipedia's apparent standards than anything in my (fact based, substantiated) article. THE TRUTH is worth defending and it's worth being passionate about. Why is everyone going after me anyway? It's just a surname, there isn't anything controversial about what I wrote. No other surname article has this many problems surrounding it. If someone wrote an article claiming the sky was blue they wouldn't get this much hassle. So why such a problem with mine? Do you people have something against the Irish? Does Cline not sound Irish enough? "Gee, it sounds German or something so it must be, right?" That's pretty ignorant thinking.LET ME ENLIGHTEN YOU ALL(with sources!): Cline is derived from Mac Giolla Chlaoin which is a sept of the Ui Bruin na Sionna Clan (www.dalcassiansept.com/history/IrishSeptsVol1.doc). Over 70 immigrant families came from Ireland bearing the surname Cline, and that's only the ones that ancestry.com had records of. There is indeed a place named TOWNLANDS OF THE CLINES in Roscommon, Ireland which you can find information on at www.ballykilcline.com/story_f.html as well as the writing s of Mary Lee Dunn.In fact a recent article in an Irish newspaper made a connection between the Roscommon (Cline) family and Sarah Palin's family (http://www.roscommonherald.ie/news/story/?trs=kfauaucwoj). There is record after record showing cemeteries(http://www.igp-web.com/igparchives/ire/roscommon/cemeteries/kilglass.txt) and flax seed farmers (http://www.failteromhat.com/flax/roscommon.htm) in that region bearing the surname Cline as well as immigrants from that region that whose children became notable American citizens such as Maggie Cline(http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/121728/Maggie-Cline0) and Peter J. Cline (http://files.usgwarchives.net/ga/baldwin/history/other/gms267historyo.txt). There is also a Clyne sept in Scotland which is part of the Scots-Norman Sinclair clan (http://www.rampantscotland.com/clans/blclansinclair.htm) so it wouldn't be part of the Irish sept, which is native to Ireland. So in closing, if the information I provided in this rant can be edited or organized in such a way to better substantiate the Cline article and keep everyones panties from bunching up, then I give my blessing for it to be rewritten. But if it's false information, I WILL REWRITE IT. HOWEVER MANY TIMES IT TAKES. YOU CAN BET ON IT.
- BY THE WAY, I thought the Discussions section wasn't supposed to be a debate forum anyways. Luckily, I'm not interested in engaging in this discussion/debate for a moment longer. I gave you more than enough sources and I made completely valid points, so if this was a debate, I certainly won it. I won't be checking back in or writing another comment here. You can comment back whatever your little hearts desire but you might as well be yelling it down a well.
- Oh, and I won't be signing my comment with anything because, well, I don't have to. So enjoy burning books or crossing out entries in encyclopedias that you don't agree with. I'll be watching (the article) and ensuring that truth prevail, which it will.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.126.96.236 (talk) 19:15, 2 May 2010
- Wikipedia is not an anarchy, but rather is founded on consensus and collegial editing; discussion of how you'll use your dying breath suggests a failure to grasp those aspects of our policy. Please cool your jets.
- I don't simply just believe it, IT IS WITHOUT A DOUBT AN IRISH SURNAME. Did you even look at the provided links? As for using citations from genealogy websites, I obviously did not use any of the websites I was "deriding"-that would not have made much sense. I used ones that had somewhat factual information. You are forcing your point of view(for some odd reason) that Cline isn't an Irish surname so you must also be in violation. If the purpose of Wikipedia is to dispense FACTS I will continue to reprint this article (as written) until my last breath.
- I agree that the article does not neccesarily cover all the bases, BUT the information provided is fairly accurate. There are only a very small number of "Cline" families which are related to "the Americanized version of the Jewish or German surname "Klein". The most widely recognized group is descended from the Hessian soldier, Peter Klein (Cline). A great deal of "Clines" incorrectly believe that they are part of this lineage. This is likely because the singer Patsy Cline(her first husband actually) came from said lineage, so most "Clines" assume (or mistakenly claim) relation to her-particularly in the Southern United States. Another likely reason for the confusion surrounding the surname is that "Cline" was, and still is, commonly mistaken for "Klein" when verbally spoken. To the general population there was no discernable difference between the two. So those who assimilated into American culture or lost touch with their heritage also assumed that "Cline" was indeed a spelling variation of the Jewish or German surname as well. In actuality, those Jews or Germans who "Americanized" their surnames more often translated their last name entirely to English, as opposed to simply changing the spelling. For instance, "Klein" often became the surnames, "Short" or "Little"-which is exactly what "Klein" means in Yiddish/German. If by chance only the spelling was changed (or misprinted), it was likely to "Kline" not "Cline". Remarkably some "Clines" even believe because they come from a Protestant background, that they somehow could not be of Irish heritage. Obviously there are Protestants from all parts of Ireland. Another explanation is a large number of immigrant Irish Catholic families converted over time-particularly those in rural areas. It is also imperative that one understands that these so called "genealogy" or "coat of arms" pages hardly ever perform any valid research of their own. They have many surnames in their databases and it would take decades to thoroughly research each one. This is a major cause of the perpetual onslaught of inaccurate information in my field. Each family has a unique history, I recommend researching your own in depth before making assumptions or accepting information that is potentially incorrect. You may be surprised by what you find. In the meantime, I will assist the author of the current "Cline" article in their accuracy. -Dr.K
wow. you sound really frustrated. There is way too much extraneous information for this article, and it is clearly original research. Please don't abuse wiki or start a war here. Jpcline004 (talk) 01:08, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Irish surname - Proposed Changes
[edit]I echo the above sentiment. I don't see anything backing up the claim that this is an Irish Surname. Seems like wishful thinking at best. Almost all the examples given are Americans, and not Irish. I suggest changing the page to say "An Americanized surname, likely derived from the Irish surname Chlaoin or the German surname Kline"208.186.29.114 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:02, 25 June 2013 (UTC)