Talk:Clevedon Pier/Archive 1

Archive 1

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Its been burnt down

I think you are thinking of Weston-super-Mare Grand Pier— Rod ^talk 16:13, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Listed building status

The article says this was upgraded to I in 2001, however it is listed as grade II* at images of england which I was going to use as a reference. Does anyone have a reference source giving the new grading and citation?— Rod ^talk 11:03, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

How about these two? North Somerset Council or BBC News. --Cheesy Mike 12:44, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Could one or both of these be included in the article as a ref - the IoE one could also be used to describe the construction.— Rod ^talk 18:49, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Dates conflict - Waverley

This article says "The paddle steamer Waverley first visited the pier to take on passengers in 1886." however the article PS Waverley says "Built in 1946,...". Does anyone have any sources which could resolve this or is there another ship called the Waverley which should be linked to?— Rod ^talk 15:02, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

The Waverley is the world's oldest seagoing paddle steamer, so I'm certain it was built before 1946. Maybe it's a typo for 1846. -mattbuck (Talk) 15:06, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

I've just done some checking & 1946 seems right - see Waverley entry on National Historic Ships Register.— Rod ^talk 15:12, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

I believe the 1946 Waverley was not the first one thay may have been at least two before it. (the 1899 Waverley was sunk during the evacuation of Dunkirk in 1940 and the 1946 was built as a replacement)MilborneOne (talk) 15:20, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

The Waverley used in 1886 may have been part of the White Funnel Fleet run by P and A Campbell but I'm having trouble finding reliable sources.— Rod ^talk 15:38, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

The Waverly was purchased in 1885 see page 96 of this book. In the same book are multiple references to the old Waverley and also the new Waverley (page 186). Page 123 states that the Waverley was chartered by a Bristol consortium the year before the Campbells moved their operations from the Clyde to the Bristol Channel - the year implied is 1887, so it is confirmed that the ship was operating in the Bristol area and although it doesn't directly confirm that the Waverley landed at Clevedon pier in 1886, the dates are all so close together as to be highly probable. --Simple Bob ^{a.k.a. The Spaminator} (Talk) 15:55, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks - can anyone come up with a form of words which explains the Waverley in the lead is a different vessel to the 1886 one? It might also be worth adding something to the PS Waverley explaining that there was one of the same name even before the PS Waverley of 1899. — Rod ^talk 16:14, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Stats

• Infobox: "Total length 310 metres". Is that from start of first span to the seaward side of the pierhead?
• Article: "The pier is 738 ft (225 m) long....Each of the eight spans is 100 ft (30 m) long." 30 X 8 = 240. Moriori (talk) 21:08, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

The landward end has a few meters before the 1st span & then the pier head on the seaward side add some more - does this make sense?— Rod ^talk 21:16, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

I understand that bit, but how does a 225 m long pier have eight 30 m spans? Moriori (talk) 21:59, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

I've gone back to the Coombes book which is given as the reference which is in feet rather than meters. It says Length of entrance approach = 180ft, Lenght of eight spans = 800ft. Looking at the facts and figures section of the pier web site it says "The pier is 312 metres long, from the gates to the rails at the end." so I will change the article.— Rod ^talk 22:09, 1 December 2012 (UTC)