Talk:Clear Linux OS

Strange distro

So I installed it in a VM, started it up, and it's fast, very, very fast. With 4gb of Ram and 4 cores it runs like hell. Then again, it doesn't seem to ship... anything. No package-manager, for example. It seems like a LFS that's lacking almost everything except for flatpak-support. Even installing quite simple, basic stuff like a browser seems to be quite the hassle. So while the achieved speed of the system is impressive, it also comes at the expense of most of the features a well thought-through OS delivers. I also wonder if those "fastest OS" claims are correct when compared to a comparably set-up Gentoo Linux - you know, with the same flags used and the same minimal approach. The Phoronix-source for example compares to "Fedora, openSUSE, Manjaro, Debian, and Ubuntu" - but those distros ship WAY more stuff than Clear Linux. Maybe I actually will set up a similar Gentoo Linux and see if it holds up... will take time though. --Leo Navis (talk) 16:14, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Okay it does seem to have something like or similar to a package manager, swupd. Fascinating concept all in all for sure Leo Navis (talk) 05:48, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

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Clear Linux OS & Comparison of Linux distributions

Comparison of Linux distributions needs some Clear Linux OS features added. .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 02:14, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

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SDDM / LightDM

Those are not Enviroments but merely Login-Managers. Should they really be covered under "UI"? --Leo Navis (talk) 08:37, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

I added GDM as default Login-Manager, I think it's alright this way. --Leo Navis (talk) 10:34, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Features

That section of the article looks really bad. I think we should try and make it a running text integrating the quotes. --Leo Navis (talk) 11:25, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

This would be a first try. User:Leo Navis/Clear Linux Features

I did throw out a lot, because... well the state the article is in now, it kinda reads like a commercial, emphasizing concepts that are quite common and quoting what I think are actual advertisements for the distribution. I kept in what I thought was worthy. Would be swell if someone took a look. @0mtwb9gd5wx: --Leo Navis (talk) 14:30, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

@0mtwb9gd5wx: Further reasoning

I don't see for example why it is noteworthy that Mixer doesn't pack as RPM. Most linux-distros do not use RPM, so why would we mention that Clear Linux doesn't either?

old Clear Linux OS used RPM, thus it is mentioned. .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 21:56, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Okay. That still doesn't make it noteworthy imho. This shouldn't be a Clear Linux changelog. --Leo Navis (talk) 19:31, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Telemetry can be turned off entirely... well great, but imho not noteworthy.

Privacy & 2 use-cases: cloud & desktop, most people would not want everything you do to break GDPR .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 21:56, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Alright. So we could put a sentence like "Clear Linux OS uses some telemetry, which can however be turned off" in. --Leo Navis (talk) 19:31, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Isn't Autproxy what Libproxy does? That does not seem very special.

Function Multiversioning: from runtime CPU architecture detection allows architecture optimization - I do not know what that sentence is supposed to mean. So I checked the source, only to find out that the features-section is basically copied from there. See It's foss source

However, I did not find this specific sentence or what it is supposed to mean there. So for now, I will remove it. --Leo Navis (talk) 16:53, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Okay, I did find it now. Function Multiversioning: It allows the optimization of a function for multiple architectures and their executions when the binary detects the architecture at runtime. That's implemented in GCC since 2015 (version 4.8). I do not think that's noteworthy at all. --Leo Navis (talk) 17:15, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

I think its noteworthy because this makes Clear Linux OS different. .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 21:56, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

It does not make it different from any other Linux-distro, since this function is implemented in GCC, which is used by every single one of them. --Leo Navis (talk) 19:31, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Also we should probably be consistent how to spell "Clear Linux OS" - with a *, as Intel does, or without. I'm fine either way, but it should be consistent; since it's officially with the star, I guess we should spell it like that as well. --Leo Navis (talk) 17:11, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

I like "Clear Linux OS", because "*" refers to the sometimes missing footnotes by Intel and no article uses them .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 21:56, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

@0mtwb9gd5wx: No article may be. But it is called "Clear Linux* OS" on the official site. Either way, lets take one, and maybe put the other in as a variant way of spelling. --Leo Navis (talk) 19:35, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

@Leo Navis: Some responses ABOVE .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 21:56, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Indiscriminate links

0mtwb9gd5wx: Please, see MOS:FURTHER. The list of bare external links on the Further reading section is not helpful at all. Most of these links do not belong in the article at all, this is not a sitemap. Those that are worth it (e.g. GitHub profile) should go to the External links section. MarioGom (talk) 14:58, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

I left them as bare because I thought they were more descriptive, and I wanted to wait until someone else had a better idea. Without throwing it all out, can you do a better configuration? Have you used Clear Linux OS ? .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 15:25, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

0mtwb9gd5wx: My proposal is here. This article needs a good clean up (external links, excessive quotes within references, feature list). MarioGom (talk) 15:54, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps sections that discuss Documentation and Community with cited URLs ? .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 16:00, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

A single link to the official page is all we need on that front, really. We don't do sections with maps for software documentation. In the External links section you can add a few (only a few, maybe 2, 3, 4) links like the official web page (1 link only), the GitHub page, maybe Twitter. That's it. MarioGom (talk) 16:40, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

This needs some reworking

Since I didn't get any sensible counter-arguments, I swapped the Features-section. @0mtwb9gd5wx and MarioGom: There are a bunch of cite warnings below the article by now. Why? --Leo Navis (talk) 14:04, 5 October 2021 (UTC)

Leo Navis: Fixed them. MarioGom (talk) 16:03, 6 October 2021 (UTC)