Talk:Claudia Sheinbaum

Nobel Prize

Nobel Prize's website says individuals connected to an organization awarded the Nobel Prize cannot claim to have personally won it. Is it then appropriate to say on this page that she's a Nobel laureate as a member on the panel?

Prof. HL Chow FRAS (talk) 23:17, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

It would seem that currently we say that She jointly received the Nobel Peace Prize in 2007 as a member of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which seems fine to me? It may be appropriate to move it farther down in the lead. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 23:55, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

She is definitely not a Nobel Prize winner, although her contributions to the IPCC can be mentioned. The IPCC has made this perfectly clear. [1] See the phrasing for Michael E. Mann, to whom this statement was apparently directed. -ProhibitOnions ^(T) 07:20, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Jew vs Jewish person

El C, I agree with Metaknowledge and the IP that "Jewish person" is a more natural phrasing than just "Jew", even if both are grammatically correct. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:08, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

That's not what they said, but whatever. El_C 22:31, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, it would be more accurate to say that I personally think the above, and would agree to use "Jewish person" over "Jew" _signed, Rosguill ^talk 22:40, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

@El C: Yes, it is what I said. The opposite of "awkward" in this context is "natural". I'm not going to revert again, because I don't know what the local rules are, but if you don't care, you should let someone change it back. —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 01:46, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong with the word "Jew", and it's insulting to imply otherwise. Jayjg ^(talk) 15:44, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Awkward writing in the article

Are there any people out there with sufficient interest, command of English, and, perhaps, understanding of Mexican culture and politics to take on the task of editing this article? Some of the sentences are quite unclear due to problems with grammar and construction. Ms. Sheinbaum is a very important figure now in the leadup to Mexican elections, but I simply don't have enough understanding of many of the events discussed to do effective editing in many places. Thanks! Hanamizu (talk) 19:03, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello Hanamizu. Can you give me an example of one of the sentences and maybe I can help. 2806:108E:12:1EB4:58C5:D6A1:21A6:7F7 (talk) 20:05, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Demolition of a chapel wall or demolition of a chapel?

The title seems enlarging issue, or, there was missing something from description? 116.48.233.74 (talk) 02:50, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

The AP source has los funcionarios encargados de demoler la barda también destruyeron parte de la estructura de la capilla. Thanks. I'll change the wording to that. Moscow Mule (talk) 03:14, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

New President of Mexico.

Just saw the news that she was declared the new President of Mexico. I look forward to this article being updated, and the 'b' rating upgraded. 2604:3D08:537B:3100:16B8:BCB7:930A:D2F7 (talk) 03:14, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Can you provide a source? David O. Johnson (talk) 03:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Here's the vote count. Yes, she looks unstoppable, but only 2% of the ballots have been counted. The electoral authorities haven't given any statements yet, and I've not seen any news outlets calling it. Moscow Mule (talk) 03:23, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

It looks like people are jumping the gun and going off the preliminary results:

[2] David O. Johnson (talk) 06:16, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 June 2024

She's not the elected president of Mexico. She's still just a candidate. Wisi fernando (talk) 05:58, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps this was a correct objection at the time, but as of this writing RS appear to be reporting that she has indeed been elected president, and by a rather decisive margin too.  Not done _signed, Rosguill ^talk 12:50, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

References

Maternal family escaping the Holocaust

As Bulgaria did not join Triple Alliance before May 1941 and did not take part in the Holocaust after that until the End of WWII there is no basis for the phrasing that the family "escaped" the Holocaust. Her mother was already born in June 1941 in Mexico. All the links lead to just one article in a dubious jewish homepage that does not deliver any quotable source. And even that source talks of "persecution of Jews" and not "the Holocaust". 93.240.133.2 (talk) 07:04, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

They left the country so as to not become victims of the Holocaust and persecution. Its not a hard concept to grasp. The war was ongoing and it was not a safe time for Jewish people in Europe. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Here's a synopsis of what Wikipedia says in The Holocaust in Bulgaria: Bulgaria administered the deportation of over 15,000 Jews in areas it occupied; all but a handful were murdered by Germany at Treblinka. Jews in Bulgaria itself were saved from that fate due to internal opposition. They were still subject to economic and social restrictions, then forcibly confined in ghettos and labor camps, with their possessions seized. To say that Bulgaria "did not take part in the Holocaust" is quite wrong. Yitz711 (talk) 12:30, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

First president of a Jewish background?

Carlos Salinas de Gortari was recently naturalised as a Spanish citizen through his Sephardic Jewish heritage. [3] [4] Are we now going to have to play Who is a Jew? Do we have any objective evidence that one counts as having a "Jewish background" and the other doesn't? Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:07, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

The article on him doesn't really say anything about his or his parents being Jewish, perhaps it's an area that should be expanded? It's hard to know without more data or references on this whether this is a technicality that he just used to gain the European citizenship after genealogical research on his family's history, or if it was always a known thing in his family. I think there is a difference between a "background" that might be several generations back and not known, and someone who actively has identified and grown up with that identity or familial history. There are plenty of people that have different cultural, religious, or ethnic backgrounds many generations back in their families of one type or another. Centerone (talk) 17:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

An overemphasis on Jewishness

The fact that she has a Jewish heritage seems to be overemphasized in the article. Is it relevant? Was it edited in by conspiracy theorists, (or by those who are uncomfortably Jew-focused given the recent middle east war), over time? Perhaps it deserves mentioning once in one sentence, or not at all. Unless it can be explained to me that it is relevant (for example was it a central part of her campaign that she herself emphasized this, and it is her ongoing emphasis as well)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Newacademic90291 (talk • contribs) 05:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Maybe it was different at the time of your writing, but right now I only see four uses of the word "Jewish" in the body text. The first is at the end of the lead that she will be the first Jewish president of Mexico (valid use, "firsts" are almost always considered significant). The next two are about her Jewish heritage in the Early life section. The last is about her being the first Jewish Head of Government of Mexico City (again, significant per above). Even by the numbers I don't see any excessive emphasis, and the four uses all seem valid to me. Liu1126 (talk) 12:09, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Jewish presidents

Israel of course. Mexico now and Spain soon in 2026. Murcia city has a leaving politician who is going national .he's Jewish but not immigrant mhesfrom Jews in Spain for generations . 84.126.83.173 (talk) 13:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

I consider her religion to be irrelevant when saying that she is the first Jew to be president, it is as if I were saying "Biden is the second Catholic president of the United States." Rafaelosornio (talk) 18:23, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Catholics didn't have a holocaust Sock-the-guy (talk) 17:26, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Also, "Jewish" is an ethnicity along with a religion. See in the article where it says she's a secular Jew? Sock-the-guy (talk) 17:34, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Mexico is 90% Christian. Less than 1% of their population is Jewish. The US? Approximately 75% of the population is Christian (and in the statistics, who knows how many of the people who are tallied as atheists or agnostics or unaffiliated are for lack of a better term 'recovering Christians' or 'former Christians'.) Approximately 2% of the US population is Jewish. It's more notable and worthy of note within this context. Similarly, the cultural situation at the time when JFK was elected made him being the first Catholic was of note, however, the culture has changed and so nowadays it's not the same situation where Biden being Catholic is not as big of a deal as it was in JFK's time. Centerone (talk) 18:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

I see your point, there seems to be an emphasis on Judaism and Jews with the war in the middle east going on that doesn't seem relevant. It should be included if you give more context to her Judaism. She has distanced her from her judaism seemingly not having any connections or relationships with the Jewish community in Mexico. Her distancing from the Jewish community, for personal gain, avoidance of a controversial issue, or any other reason could be an interesting article section worthy of being in her biography. That being said, it is difficult to find any resources on these topics, either because not a lot exist, or there has been a lot of work done to cover it up. MoisesM12 (talk) 00:18, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Focus Bias

in the sections of early political career and head of government of Mexico City there seems to be an immense focus on the positive achievements of Sheinbaum and there hardly any mentions of controversies or mistakes. No candidate for Presidential elections reaches that point without a controversy. One example not mentioned is her support of AMLO in getting rid of the National Electoral Institute (INE) an institute independent of parties and government that ensures fair elections. MoisesM12 (talk) 00:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Not to antagonize, but to say that the INE is «independent of parties and government» is not exactly accurate. The Consejeros Electorales (Electoral Counselors) are appointed by the Chamber of Deputies upon the candidates selected by the Junta de Coordinación Política (Political Coordination Board), which in turn is integrated by the leaders of each political fraction with representation in said chamber. Hence, strictly speaking, the Electoral Counselors do depend of the government, in this case the Legislative branch and the political parties in it.

To illustrate my point, and drawing a parallel with the USA, it is like saying that the appointment of judges from the Supreme Court do not depend of political parties and/or government when, evidently, the President appoints as judges people who are more likely to support their government and political party views. EOZyo (мѕğ) 01:35, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Inauguration

Why has the inauguration date been moved up two months, from December 1 to October 1? GoodDay (talk) 19:39, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

There was a political reform in 2014 that changed the dates. The first time this reform applies will be in 2024. EchoLuminary (talk) 21:09, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Basically, to reduce the time from election to ascension (6 months was deemed too long), and to allow new presidents to prepare the federal budget for their first year, which initially was presented by the leaving president. (source) EOZyo (мѕğ) 00:55, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Incumbency

She should not be listed as the incumbent president of mexico for days before her inauguration. It is inappropriate and inaccurate. 2600:8807:4042:A9F0:8506:7919:5364:1B67 (talk) 20:48, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Lede image

This article has gone back and forth regarding the images used in the infobox. In my opinion, and in accordance with MOS:IMAGEQUALITY, I think that File:Claudia Sheinbaum con la banda presidencial (cropped) (2).jpg should be used over File:Presidente Claudia Sheinbaum (cropped).jpg (the current one), as it is of higher quality. EchoLuminary (talk) 22:29, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

I second this motion. EOZyo (мѕğ) 00:10, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Predominantly Jewish?

Hey all. I'm wondering why Sheinbaum is listed as being "predominantly Jewish" on this page. Every reliable source says or heavily implies she's of full Jewish descent. One of her parents is Sephardi and the other is Ashkenazi. Yeah, different Jewish ethnic divisions, but still 100% Jewish nonetheless. It's bothering me a bit and I would like to change it to the first Mexican president of full Jewish descent or something similar instead. Obviously, I want to get some consensus before making such a change in case I missed something. FrozenIcicle (talk) 01:58, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, should be full Jewish... the 2024 Mexican general election page also has her as the "first person of full Jewish descent to be elected president of Mexico". And as you point out, news articles that touch on her ethnicity also say this. EchoLuminary (talk) 02:59, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

So it's all good for me to change it to first Mexican president of full Jewish descent or something similar? FrozenIcicle (talk) 14:45, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

• "Full Jewish descent" is fine. I don't think it should be in the lead paragraphs since the lead paragraphs should serve as an intro/summary of the article, capturing the major points of this biography. It is still mentioned in the sections below, however. Morogris (✉ • ✎) 19:11, 16 October 2024 (UTC)