Talk:Classical guitar repertoire

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Confusing section layout

This article needs clarification of the distinction between the sections, especially the two "Romantic" sections and the "Viheula" section which needs to be more explicitly indicated as being part of the Renaissance era. Also, the difference between the modern/contemporary/21st century composers is unclear. This possibly needs an expert who can differentiate the music of these eras. --Ray thejake 04:26, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is no list of "classical era" composers.

I didn't notice any mention with respect to the Baroque composers that the guitar either didn't exist as we now see it or at best (and I'm really just leaving open the possiblity, I don't think there was "guitar" in the Baroque era, Lute, Vihuella but I don't think any guitars).

The early romantic list is full of people that didn't write for the guitar and any transcriptions done for guitar of their music should be listed by the arranger and his era.

The romantic list contains a lot of guitarists, some that might better be considered "classical".

Basically it should look more in line with the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_guitarists page as that is more accurate.

This is my first time posting on this wiki thing, I'm no expert on the ways or customs of wiki but I know a little about guitar (no expert either); so if this isn't how I'm supposed to make these comments or if these comments aren't all that useful, please accept my apologies.

I am amazed that there is no information at all for the Classical Era, during which time the 6-string guitar came into fashion, and many important works were composed. --HappyPC 13:36, 19 Nov 2008 (PST)

Why don't you have a go? I'm sure you could only improve it.

I suppose that what would be really useful to people who want to study guitar would be a list of lute pieces that are now mainly played on guitar - a link to reasonable arrangements and tabs would also be fantastic.

ps I was disappointed not to find Sylvius Leopold Weiss mentioned anywhere

Are you afraid to sign your posts?

With the sole exception of Wikipedian Ray thejake's, all of the other posts in this discussion are ANONYMOUS. They should, therefore, be discarded or erased. (No use answering to someone who is hiding). --AVM 22:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A word of warning to readers!

I've just ready this article and am shocked at its lack of quality and factual data. Please consider obtaining serious primary sources or even better: articles published or written during the actual musical period you are interested in.

I've just deleted the most ridiculous descriptions of the romantic period, that I've ever come across. For example:

"Composers such as Chopin, Schubert, and others composed [...] because the composer simply "felt like it" at the time."

Apparently the original author did not know that improvisation and improvisery composition was an INTEGRAL part of the baroque and CLASSICAL era!

"Works were far more expressive, and music was thought to be intrinsically tied to other art forms."

I cannot believe how it is possible that people can think that music of the classical era, or the baroque era was not expressive or not tied to other arts. (Actually I can: Those people are the owners of recordings by the legions of boring modern classical guitarists - the worst and most ignorant musicians I know.) Bloodguitarist (talk) 18:26, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Guitar repertoire?

I'm sorry for not editing it all by myself now, but I have to say that there is something very wrong with this article: it has a great number of music that was not originally written for guitar, but only transcribed at some other moment. It means that this article is absolutelly useless, considering that I can create an article called "Ocarina repertoire" and include a lot of works as if it was of domain of the ocarina, when it simply doesn't mean anything than that another person made a transcription for it, absolutelly arbitrarily. Things get really worse here in the Romantic Period section: Beethoven is listed (and it is doubtful if he was a Romantic composer) with the "Moonlight Sonata", that is an unclear title for the Piano Sonata No. 14 in C sharp minor Op. 27 No. 2, and, as I said, is just the reference to the existence of some transcription to the work, thas was never intended to be played at the guitar in its origin (nothing against the transcriptions, of course). But while it points to these works of the common-place that weren't even composed for guitar, it doesn't mention, for exemple, some works that Beethoven wrote (and that was not publicated during his life) for mandolin and that can be adapted for guitar. It would be an interesting reference, but this one, pertinent, is missing, while other ones, absolutely impertinent, are here.

Somebody with knowledge of cause should adopt this article, maybe consulting even the repertoire of labels such as Naxos with some series dedicated to the classical guitar, and remake it, deleting all these sparse references to common-place works that don't have anything with the guitar.

--Leonardo T. Oliveira (talk) 17:30, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge

The topic of the information on this page appears to be covered by List of composers for the classical guitar and List of compositions for guitar. Therefore, I propose a merge. Bramble claw x 15:23, 25 January 2010 (UTC) I would split this page off into the two aforementioned articles as appropriate. Bramble claw x 01:04, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I would do neither. Given that it is merely a set of lists plus the odd bit of commentary, the article needs expansion (the lists having first been removed) Or it should be deleted if it proves to be non-viable (though I strongly suspect it isn't). Merging all the lists would be somewhat counterproductive... However, any names and works missing from the two lists should be moved to those lists, obviously (I would not bother with redlinks, though unless the proposed subjects really are people/works in need of an article). --Jubilee♫clipman 01:53, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum - or the most useful bits of this article could just be merged into Classical guitar (and the lists expanded with missing names/works) and the article PRODed (AFDed if there is any reason not to prod)... --Jubilee♫clipman 02:07, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I took another look, and I think that if a merge were to occur, I think it would just be more viable to merge this entire page into List of compositions for guitar, which basically has similar content; the only difference is that this page has a few paragraphs discussing the different periods: perhps those paragraphs could be combined at the top of that page?
I agree that this page could do with expansion, but I feel it would be easier to merge them because of similar topics. Bramble claw x 19:11, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes that makes more sense. Maybe the paragraphs (or some of them) could fit into Classical guitar somewhere, though? Probably into the Repertoire section? If not, just go ahead and merge as you suggest. Unless you feel like stubbing this present article and letting others restart it (with a hidden reminder that lists already exist)? --Jubilee♫clipman 03:35, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note the comments above about irrelevent music being listed, however: maybe not all of this music should be in that other list at all? Eg, Ludwig van Beethoven (1770-1827): Moonlight Sonata... Perhaps AfD would be better, on second thoughts. After copying the good stuff, of course, into the relevent articles. On the other hand, Organ repertoire gives a good model for starting the article after stubification, so I'm not sure about that, yet (though that article has multiple issues: not least the horrible graphic and the lack of sourcing). --Jubilee♫clipman 03:46, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No one else is commenting? Bramble claw x 23:10, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just do what you think is right: obviously with no one else commenting it is hardly going to be controversial and we both more or less agree on the basics if not on the specifics. Ask me to review it all after you've finished, if you wish. (I would remove the more obvious non-guitar compositions, like the Beethoven, first, however. I would also remove all the redlinks like D.R. Auten. That way you have far less to worry about when you split it all up into other articles or what ever.) --Jubilee♫clipman 01:58, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, so basically, I copied the paragraphs to the top of List of compositions for guitar, then transferred a few pieces over, since most of them were either there already, were not originally guitar compositions, or I could not find any info on them. Then I placed the "copied" template on both talk pages. The other page (the list of composers) looks complete already, so I didn't copy anything over to that one. Feel free to offer feedback. Bramble claw x 18:58, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Miguel Aguila

I'm not sure what the standards of notability for inclusion here are, but I was intrigued by this addition - mainly because he was at the top of the list.

It seems like the majority of his online presence is publications on his own youtube channel and on his website, migueldelaguila.com. His works seem to be primarily self published, and his own biography is padded with relationships with orchestras and arts organizations of what seem like secondary and tertiary cities, and honors and awards for which he was nominated or was a runner up. It does not read like the biography of someone whose works students would be expected to learn and professionals would be expected to know. the piece of his included - "Tennessee" does not seem to have a wide range of interpretations or performances available online. In fact I could only find his own performance on youtube.

I think the criteria for inclusion should, as a lower bound, involve multiple guitar compositions that have been performed and published by multiple guitarists and labels, and on his website i see only one CD with his guitar music. Taking action to remove, let me know what you think

romnempire (talk) 23:03, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]