Talk:Clément Chantôme/GA2

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 18:35, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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This is a tough one: it is a rare long fail. After a full review bogged down in spot-checking, this page needs work to get it to GA, and I don't think it can be done in seven days. The back-breaker for me is the fact that the citebundles make it extraordinarily tough to verify anything, and the two I did I couldn't find the claim I was searching for. The citation tags need fixing, though one good statistics source might be able to handle all five. The article needs bringing up to date with the last two years, and its prose needs improvement to be less workmanlike in places. The citation issues need fixing before this article is returned to GAN. If you have questions, feel free to reach out. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:52, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Did you know? If you fancy doing so, I always have plenty of GA nominees to review. Just look for the all-uppercase titles in the Television section. Reviews always appreciated.

Copy changes

• Priority item: There are five templates on the page that must be resolved if this page is to pass. They all seem to be for year-end statistics. The right source might be able to take all five of them out if a stats database exists for French football. @Paul Vaurie: Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:53, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Lead

• He signed for Rennes in 2016, and was loaned to Lens a year later. No need for this comma (WP:CINS)

Club career

• After rising through the ranks of the academy, he was promoted to the club's first team for the 2006–07 season, and signed his first professional contract with the side.
• "Technically blessed" should probably be a quote or given more foundation? It seems quite peacocky, and one Bleacher Report article alone can't justify us saying that.
• Since then, he became a first-team regular Maybe "After that" instead of "Since then"?
• Chantôme appeared in the first team during the first two months of the 2007–08 season, but was subsequently dropped. Remove comma (CINS)
• strong competitions in the midfield position Should be competition, singular, maybe at the midfield position
• Your writing could use less rote material of "he scored a goal in this game, he scored a goal in that game, he was sent off during this fixture". It makes your prose workmanlike and a bit boring.
• He made his debut for the club as a starter against Nice in the opening game of the season, but was substituted off in the 24th minute due to a shoulder injury. Remove comma (CinS)
• There is very little material in the C'Chartres section. How are things going for him? Seems like the club got relegated for financial reasons. Is he still there?

International career

• He came on as a substitute for Blaise Matuidi in the 46th minute of the game, but was replaced by Bafétimbi Gomis after 30 minutes Remove comma (CINS)

Sourcing and spot checks

What makes Histoire du PSG (150) a reliable source?

• 3: This is Chantôme's FFF profile. It includes his birthdate and youth clubs. Y Oddly enough, it lists just two Espoirs appearances—presumably the others are in [140]?
• 11: A bundle of five different references from Football.fr about what seems to have been a lousy season for PSG. The last ref says they were in 19th. Where is the one that indicates they finished 15th?
• 12: Another citebundle. I am having mighty trouble, even after translating the articles, finding the claims that need to be had.
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Your practice of bundling references (there are 150 numbered references and 312 citation templates) causes issues. When done well, citebundles reduce clutter in a page. Here, they make it a game of chance to sort through and find the right ref to verify the claims.

Images

All the images in the article are PD or CC-licensed. Watch for sandwiching due to image size and positioning; it's a bit of an issue. Encouragement: Add alt text.

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